ok i learned my lesson..i purposely will not touch this question with a 10foot pole..lol..think it might be a trick question.

 

ut oh...

 

You can find a wealth of "lively interaction" on this and like topics if you search the forum threads.

 

I dont think there is a benefit. I think it is a matter of personal preference. I personally like the european bloodlines, I am also actively involved in Schutzhund. That is not to say that an American bred dog could not do Schutzhund, but personally I prefer the European Dobes.

My bitch cost me 1200 euros. Which I think is about average. It was another 6 or 700 euros to get her here. She was shipped through "Animals to fly" via Delta Air Cargo. I had no problems whatsoever. When all is said and done, look to pay somewhere between $2,000-$3,000 USD.

I know in some countries, like the Czech Republic dobermans are a bit cheaper. You can also fly over to pick your puppy up and bring it back on the plane with you.

You should be very cautious and do your homework when choosing a breeder overseas though.

Most (not all......) but MOST good breeders here in the united states choose to crop the entire litter before they go to their new homes. So, yes...that is how they would enforce it.

That is about as diplomatic as I can get

 

I'll betcha this is a trick question...
I'm not biting....

 

Here are maybe a few questions to ask yourself:
1. Why do you want a doberman? (Answer should be the same euro. vs Am.)
2. Do you want a dobe for a companion, pet, o.b. work, Sch. ?
3. I find there is a different look between the two. What do you prefer?
4. I would say in general that it is easier to find a good breeder of Am. lines in the u.s. than a good breeder of euro. lines.
I think to import you have to really, really trust who you are dealing with.

I have a euro line doberman, I don't find her hard to live with, she came with her ears and tail done, good after support etc.. etc. You might not have to import, there are a few good breeders in N.A. of good euro lines it depends what you are looking for....tell us more??

 

To those who said I think this is a trick question. I just about fell off my chair laughing. You made my day.:emo:

 

Well, my first dobe that you can see pictures of.. was a rescue (nice huh!) She is my first dobe and I absolutely adore her. Now that I am getting more familar with dobes, I think my next one will be from a breeder. I would like to do sports with her, even though I just went to my first schutzhund club last night and it was a horrible experience! Buts that is a whole nother story..

Basically I have noticed that the euro lines look different, I like that. And it just seems that in america they sell 1/2 euros for the same price as you can import one ya know?

Its not really a big deal, I just heard that america breeds a bit more for looks and europe breeds more for temperment. Sorry if I am wrong I won't mean to offend anyone. ALL DOBES ARE GREAT.

 

Its not really a big deal, I just heard that america breeds a bit more for looks and europe breeds more for temperment. Sorry if I am wrong I won't mean to offend anyone. ALL DOBES ARE GREAT.

Look at the large amount of BYB's in the US. They don't breed for looks or temperament, mostly they just breed. Of all Dobes registered and not registered in the US, those mostly come from breeders that don't do anything with their dogs, no show, no sports, no health testing. Nothing. That is not breeding for looks. Or for health. Or for performance. Or for temperament. Or for work ethic. Or for drive. Etc.

You will find many good breeding programs focus on conformation and temperament in many countries. Do you know the reason behind the "looks" of a Doberman? Do you know the meaning behind a sound dog?

A responsible breeding program will focus heavily on temperament, regardless of country that particular Dobe happens to be from when born.

There are lots of sports to do with a Dobe, an important thing is finding the right club that you feel comfortable in for you and your dog. Sounds like you might need to keep looking.

 

What is the reason behind the looks of a doberman and what is a sound dog? Knowing this will help me find the best breeder.

The reasoning behind the look of a breed is because that is what was in the minds eye of the originator(s) of each particular breed. They had a purpose in mind and went to create a definable, consistent, and recognizable breed in both looks and abilities. Part of what makes a doberman a doberman is it's breed "type" (looks), the other part is it's temperament. Too big and heavy, you start losing speed and agility. Front assembly structure too straight and toeing in, you get a dog that will be much more prone to breaking down under physical stress. For example a straight front lacks the flexibility to absorb the shock of landing over a jump repeatedly over time in a physically demanding sport such as schutzhund. Or a dog that is too long in 2nd thigh and/or sickle hocked isn't going to have the power from behind to launch themselves repeatedly without also over-stressing their poor structure. Conformational traits such as this that have a negative impact on the dog's physical abilities are what makes it physically "sound" or not from a conformation aspect. Also movement....does the dog look like a mix-master in the front when it's trotting towards you? If so, that would be bad. Or do his legs look straight and true when he trots toward you, his footsteps converging towards the center line, without winging his elbows out, flinging his pasterns, or looking like he is trying to avoid hitting that bus parked between his front legs? LOL Does he have a nice relaxed, fluid gait with a smooth ground-covering stride holding his topline well and really moving from the shoulder and having powerful drive from behind? Or does he have a short, stiff, choppy stride, and a topline like a rubberband? All of these things will effect the physical performance abilities of a dog, and if they are really lacking will be termed "unsound".

Here is a link to the illustrated standard. It shows you some of what to look for, as well as some common conformational faults.
http://www.dpca.org/JEC/illustrated_standard.htm

 

Can someone recommend a breeder in europe that they have personally gotten a dog from?

 

How old is your current puppy? It is not generally recommended to juggle two high energy Doberman puppies at once during puppy hood. That goes even more for a novice owner. Raising a Doberman right with socialization, training, just everything takes a lot of work and can overwhelm new owners. It is not the time to bring in a new puppy. Concentrate on your current girl, bond with her, train her, let her mature some and wait until she grows up some. Then think about bringing in another.

 

My pup is 6 months, I am definetly waiting a year or so I just want to have someone lined up and do my research ahead of time..

 

I emailed the breeder in california you spoke of. They are rude and I would never buy a pup from them!

 

My understanding is that they sell most of their dogs out of the country. Their dogs are working dogs and do a lot of trialing in other countries.
I do know that a backyard breeder/puppymill type person sent someone else in to buy one of their male puppies under false pretenses. The dog is used to produce puppy mill type puppies.
Phillip and Linda have put a lot of their life into their dogs and for one to be put into this situation and used this way pretty well stopped them from selling to anyone else in this country unless they come with pristene references. I am not even sure if references will help.