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hi i have a 12 week old pup who recently got his ears cropped and they do look a little bad and i wanted to know if anyone can help me out and let me know if it’s normal or if it’s getting infected. i am always making sure to clean it. i did start with peroxide but learned it’s bad so i’ve been cleaning with alcohol. he has been wearing a e collar but i’m really concerned and i am a first time dobie mom. any help would be great thank you !!!
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I know the first thing the more experienced members are going to suggest is that you stop cleaning the edges that are trying to heal. Let them scab and don’t touch them at all. The scabs will dry and fall off on their own as the new healthy skin under them develops. They will probably also suggest losing the collar and trimming the nails short. My breeder sent my girl home with super short nails and I never used a collar as they rubbed the ears. Some of these great members will post some great tutorial links for ear care and posting in a day or so. 😉
 

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I know the first thing the more experienced members are going to suggest is that you stop cleaning the edges that are trying to heal. Let them scab and don’t touch them at all. The scabs will dry and fall off on their own as the new healthy skin under them develops. They will probably also suggest losing the collar and trimming the nails short. My breeder sent my girl home with super short nails and I never used a collar as they rubbed the ears. Some of these great members will post some great tutorial links for ear care and posting in a day or so. 😉
Thank you!! When i got him from my breeder they had said to take off all the scabs so that’s what I’ve been doing. I put the collar because he scratches so much i’m scared if i take it off he will damage his ears. Any suggestions on that
 

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Thank you!! When i got him from my breeder they had said to take off all the scabs so that’s what I’ve been doing. I put the collar because he scratches so much i’m scared if i take it off he will damage his ears. Any suggestions on that
At this age they are more clumsy and it’s hard for them to make contact but that’s why you keep the nails short. I’m actually really surprised the breeder said to take the scabs off, that will prolong the healing. 🤔. I’m sure tomorrow you will get lots of amazing advice. Post some cute puppy pics too, I know you’ll get requests.
 

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Absolutely do not remove scabs. They will fall off when ready or be reabsorbed. The scabs are a very important part of keeping the wound sealed and infection free. Use no cleaner. No witch hazel, no peroxide, and please no alcohol. I can't imagine how bad that would sting on an open wound. No neosporin. Nothing. You can lightly massage the ear AWAY from the raw edge. It will help puppy get used to getting his ears handled. Do not start posting until stitches are out then it heals for another 7 to 10 days and there is nothing but smooth pink skin. No abrasions or scabs left. I would ditch the cone if you can. As mentioned above it can rub the raw edges and hurt, delay healing, or pull off scabs making puppy open to infections. There are inflatable doughnut collars that can help keep puppy from scratching or messing with eats if you can not use a dremmel tool to cut his nails nice and short AND smooth. Traditional nail clippers shorten the nails but they are usually still hard edges and sharp.

Please if you have any questions come back here and ask. There is sooo much support and knowledge to be had. It sounds as if your breeder isn't the best informed as not picking scabs is kind of cropped ear 101. Don't worry though, you are in great hands here. Just between the pretty active regular forum users I swear, there is over 400 combined years of experience. They will come along soon and probably link some previous threads to help. I haven't learned how to do that yet. There is a search feature you can use though if there is anything specific you want to read up on. Good Luck!!
 

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On second look at one of the pictures I am concerned some of the skin isn't in the sutures anymore, only cartiladge, but I am baby with hands on experience I have just studied for years, the more experienced crew will come along in the morning and have eagle eyes. They will spot if something is off and tell you if you need to follow up with your vet. PS I said no cleaner earlier, but you can dab lightly with a little warm water. The veterans will add if there is anything else to add but they almost always advice just leaving them alone while healing.
 

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Absolutely do not remove scabs. They will fall off when ready or be reabsorbed. The scabs are a very important part of keeping the wound sealed and infection free. Use no cleaner. No witch hazel, no peroxide, and please no alcohol. I can't imagine how bad that would sting on an open wound. No neosporin. Nothing. You can lightly massage the ear AWAY from the raw edge. It will help puppy get used to getting his ears handled. Do not start posting until stitches are out then it heals for another 7 to 10 days and there is nothing but smooth pink skin. No abrasions or scabs left. I would ditch the cone if you can. As mentioned above it can rub the raw edges and hurt, delay healing, or pull off scabs making puppy open to infections. There are inflatable doughnut collars that can help keep puppy from scratching or messing with eats if you can not use a dremmel tool to cut his nails nice and short AND smooth. Traditional nail clippers shorten the nails but they are usually still hard edges and sharp.

Please if you have any questions come back here and ask. There is sooo much support and knowledge to be had. It sounds as if your breeder isn't the best informed as not picking scabs is kind of cropped ear 101. Don't worry though, you are in great hands here. Just between the pretty active regular forum users I swear, there is over 400 combined years of experience. They will come along soon and probably link some previous threads to help. I haven't learned how to do that yet. There is a search feature you can use though if there is anything specific you want to read up on. Good Luck!!
On second look at one of the pictures I am concerned some of the skin isn't in the sutures anymore, only cartiladge, but I am baby with hands on experience I have just studied for years, the more experienced crew will come along in the morning and have eagle eyes. They will spot if something is off and tell you if you need to follow up with your vet. PS I said no cleaner earlier, but you can dab lightly with a little warm water. The veterans will add if there is anything else to add but they almost always advice just leaving them alone while healing.
thank you so much that helped a lot. since i’m not taking off the scabs would i just let build up or what would be the best thing to do. I could take other pictures because it looks different from the other side of the ear but yes i did notice that too!! again thank you for the information!!!
 

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thank you so much that helped a lot. since i’m not taking off the scabs would i just let build up or what would be the best thing to do. I could take other pictures because it looks different from the other side of the ear but yes i did notice that too!! again thank you for the information!!!
You're so very welcome! and yes just let them get crusty. That is why some times I think some people may use a warm damp rag, but you want to be sure not to over rub. The rag isn't to remove the build up, I believe it's just to keep the surface free from hair or fibers that get stuck in there.

Yeah in the picture one side looked like the sutures were nice and deep as in they took a healthy bite into the depth of the ear (from the edge) and the other side looks more shallow and like some of the skin came back away. I would be worried about it allowing infection in. I think the skin would still heal together, it might just take more time? Like I said I am a Doberman baby just with lots and lots of research, but in the morning when the others get online that have had many Dobermans they will get you all set up and offer more help on that question. If by later this afternoon no one else has commented on it I think it would be okay to make a new thread as it's kind of a secondary question, but I don't it will be necessary. Someone I'm sure will see and the calvary will ride in and save the day :LOL:
 

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I recommend that you do nothing at all to the ear edges while they are in the process of healing. Leave them alone--not only don't pick scabs but don't try dabbing any kind of ointment on the ear edges and don't be even thinking about dabbing warm water on the scabs to remove surface debris (like dust,hair etc).

Dry and scabby is fine--and the scab will fall off or be absorbed when the scabby area is healed. Sometimes if it is a huge scab it will fall off when most of the area is healed and a new scab (much smaller) will form over the unhealed section.

As far as the area you are asking about where the suture isn't attaching skin but only cartilage--personally I wouldn't worry about it. Some years ago there were some vets who carefully sutured ear edges so that the cartilage was exposed--the reason was so that it was a nice clean edge where hair didn't grow. That was true--but clippers or even scissors will get rid of hair on ear edges but ear cropped and sutured like that took a whole lot longer to completely heal.
So even if the suture is in cartilage it will still heal. Sometimes at the very bottom (especially in a show crop) a puppy will pop a sutures in the base (where it is not only keeping skin together but cartilage) and those I suggest you take back to the cropper to get resutured.

Keep asking questions if you see stuff you don't understand--it's not just you who learn from the answer (or for that matter have questions) but other people reading your questions and the answers you get.

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That breeder doesn’t sound very good if he/she is telling you to pick the scabs!! :oops:

DO NOT use anything other than cool, clear water IF you have to clean them. Alcohol and Peroxide are the worst things you can do.

DO NOT pick at the scabs

DO let the ears hang

DO leave them alone until the scabs have fallen off on their own and all that is left is cool, pink skin.

DO NOT use a cone. If you have to, try a donut. Puppies are good about avoiding things that cause pain.

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Hi mtd. About the current state of the ears.... I have nothing to add to the very good comments already proffered.

However, I would to say: Welcome from the Pacific NW! And, please keep updating .

In the meantime, I will give you a link to an excellent visual tutorial by member greenkouki on posting Doberman ears using a method frequently suggested on DT.
How to: Posting Show Cropped Ears Using Backer Rod

It is highly recommended by folks here, that owners post their own pup's ears. No one will have the dedication and vested interest to ensure that your puppy's ears come out nicely more than you will. DT members have helped countless new Dobe puppy owners make posting cropped ears a pleasant and successful experience.

I suggest that you study the lesson ^^^^. Gather your supplies, and then come back with any questions that you may have. It really helps to have all of your ducks in a row before you begin posting in a few weeks. Also, you can rest assured that someone here will always be available for support and advise, to both get your started and see you to the end.

But you you and your pup.

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Hi mtd. About the current state of the ears.... I have nothing to add to the very good comments already proffered.

However, I would to say: Welcome from the Pacific NW! And, please keep updating .

In the meantime, I will give you a link to an excellent visual tutorial by member greenkouki on posting Doberman ears using a method frequently suggested on DT.
How to: Posting Show Cropped Ears Using Backer Rod

It is highly recommended by folks here, that owners post their own pup's ears. No one will have the dedication and vested interest to ensure that your puppy's ears come out nicely more than you will. DT members have helped countless new Dobe puppy owners make posting cropped ears a pleasant and successful experience.

I suggest that you study the lesson ^^^^. Gather your supplies, and then come back with any questions that you may have. It really helps to have all of your ducks in a row before you begin posting in a few weeks. Also, you can rest assured that someone here will always be available for support and advise, to both get your started and see you to the end.

But you you and your pup.

John L.
Thank you so much !
I recommend that you do nothing at all to the ear edges while they are in the process of healing. Leave them alone--not only don't pick scabs but don't try dabbing any kind of ointment on the ear edges and don't be even thinking about dabbing warm water on the scabs to remove surface debris (like dust,hair etc).

Dry and scabby is fine--and the scab will fall off or be absorbed when the scabby area is healed. Sometimes if it is a huge scab it will fall off when most of the area is healed and a new scab (much smaller) will form over the unhealed section.

As far as the area you are asking about where the suture isn't attaching skin but only cartilage--personally I wouldn't worry about it. Some years ago there were some vets who carefully sutured ear edges so that the cartilage was exposed--the reason was so that it was a nice clean edge where hair didn't grow. That was true--but clippers or even scissors will get rid of hair on ear edges but ear cropped and sutured like that took a whole lot longer to completely heal.
So even if the suture is in cartilage it will still heal. Sometimes at the very bottom (especially in a show crop) a puppy will pop a sutures in the base (where it is not only keeping skin together but cartilage) and those I suggest you take back to the cropper to get resutured.

Keep asking questions if you see stuff you don't understand--it's not just you who learn from the answer (or for that matter have questions) but other people reading your questions and the answers you get.

dobebug
Thank you for all the information! So I haven’t touched them since the pictures above but he now is getting some like milky liquid coming out. Is that normal ?
 

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That may be nothing but some serum leakage since removing scabs from the healing ears opened new areas of raw flesh and to make scabs there will be some fluid exuded which then hardens--the really messy scabs are from the surgery itself so there is a lot of blood mixed with it--replacement scabs often are more light tan in color.

Your nose is a good guide to what is going on with open, unscabbed areas--serum really doesn't smell like much of anything. Even beginning infection smell bad! Dirty. For those you need to get her back into the vet and they would probably put her on anitbiotics.

But don't panic yet.

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hi i just wanted to know if it’s normal for the ears to bleed? there will be time where it randomly bleeds a lot! i’m really concerned and not sure if i should go see a vet?
mtd--the ears as they show in the pictures of the posts and sutures at the point you stopped picking off the scabs have several very raw spots.

You are saying the ears just start to bleed for no reason? The puppy didn't bang them against anything or manage to actually scratch them with a back foot? it would not be normal for them to bleed for no reason. But if he rubs or scratches at the ears those raw spots can bleed. But you understand that there is a reason for that--that is very raw flesh and it's like having a scab on the back of your hand and you accidently knock the scab off then you have a raw spot and something as stupid as putting on a shirt and dragging the fabric across the raw area can make it start to bleed.

Can you maybe explain what happens to make the ear edges bleed.

I hate to even open this can of worms but do you know what his vWD status is? Most vWD affected dogs don't actually bleed for no reason. Most of them have sufficient vWD factor that their blood will clot pretty quickly. But when a vWD affected dog dog is "clinical" (that means he doesn't have enough circulating vWD factor to stop bleeding quickly without help.) Sometimes the help is something as minor as a powder (even cornstarch or flour) to help the blood clot. But I would think you'd probably know before the ears were cropped if he was vWD affected and clinical.

Tell me more about this sudden bleeding. But if it happens all the time and the bleeding won't stop it's time to discuss this with his vet--and you can by pass me because I didn't spend all those years in vets school to become a DVM. I know some stuff but I can't explain much without more information from you about the bleeding.

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They are bleeding because there are no scabs left to staunch the blood flow if the wound gets scraped or knocked.

Basically:
A wound bleeds. Then the blood coagulates slowly stopping the flow. Then a scabby crust forms, protecting the wound from dirt and bacteria. The wound heals under the scabs, which eventually get smaller and smaller until they disappear or fall off. What's left then heals rather quickly, and you are left with nice new skin. This is natures way of repairing damage while helping prevent infection.

The exception is if the patient (human or dog) does not have the ability to coagulate blood, usually due to a shortage of platelets. But that is an issue in itself, and should have been addressed by the cropping vet before surgery.

John L
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Edit to say: I just saw that dobebug addressed the bleeding issue before I posted. So, what she said^^^^^^^. dobebug has been posting ears longer than anyone I know, and her knowledge runs much deeper than mine.
 

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Now, now John--your explanations are much more concise than mine are--I am, after all, the queen of the run on sentence.

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mtd--the ears as they show in the pictures of the posts and sutures at the point you stopped picking off the scabs have several very raw spots.

You are saying the ears just start to bleed for no reason? The puppy didn't bang them against anything or manage to actually scratch them with a back foot? it would not be normal for them to bleed for no reason. But if he rubs or scratches at the ears those raw spots can bleed. But you understand that there is a reason for that--that is very raw flesh and it's like having a scab on the back of your hand and you accidently knock the scab off then you have a raw spot and something as stupid as putting on a shirt and dragging the fabric across the raw area can make it start to bleed.

Can you maybe explain what happens to make the ear edges bleed.

I hate to even open this can of worms but do you know what his vWD status is? Most vWD affected dogs don't actually bleed for no reason. Most of them have sufficient vWD factor that their blood will clot pretty quickly. But when a vWD affected dog dog is "clinical" (that means he doesn't have enough circulating vWD factor to stop bleeding quickly without help.) Sometimes the help is something as minor as a powder (even cornstarch or flour) to help the blood clot. But I would think you'd probably know before the ears were cropped if he was vWD affected and clinical.

Tell me more about this sudden bleeding. But if it happens all the time and the bleeding won't stop it's time to discuss this with his vet--and you can by pass me because I didn't spend all those years in vets school to become a DVM. I know some stuff but I can't explain much without more information from you about the bleeding.

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I was watching him while he went outside to go restroom and he was running to me and just started bleeding. Another time we were laying down but i’m not sure if he did scratch but he was bleeding alot
 

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I was watching him while he went outside to go restroom and he was running to me and just started bleeding. Another time we were laying down but i’m not sure if he did scratch but he was bleeding alot
Do you know what his genetic status is for vWD? Has he been tested by one of the genetic testing outfits like Vet Gen, Vetnostics or Vet Sol? I'm not talking about an Elisa assay which is a blood test and only tests for vWD factor circulating in the blood at the time of the the blood draw. Those would be a kind of test only done by a vet--usually in preparation for surgery.

Ask the breeders of your puppy what the status is of the parents--some combinations would not produce an "affected" dog (where there were two faulty genes) but if even one parent is clear there is no possiblity of puppies being any thing except carriers. Carriers and clear dogs don't have issues with bleeding. Most affected Dobermans don't either but it's a possibility.

It's also possible that the puppy is bleeding (for no apparent reason for something other that a vWD issue. There is a whole array of things that can cause bleeding.

Has this kind of bleeding just started? When it starts is it very hard to stop? Have you talked to his vet about it?

Before you stopped picking the scabs off was he bleeding for no reason then too? Or has this only started since you quit picking the scabs?

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