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Hi! I'm new to this forum and so happy I found it. I just got my first doberman puppy a few weeks ago (he's just over 10 weeks now) and have some doberman-specific questions as I know they are a unique breed. I have lived with/raised several other breeds before, so I'm not new at all to dogs in general... Currently, I have an appointment to get my pup's ears done by a very good dr.; I personally know of several other dobermans with perfect crops that were done here. This clinic's rule is no older than 14 weeks, and Otis (my pup) will be 13 weeks at the time of surgery. My question is what is the reason for a weight limit in cropping? I thought maybe something to do with anesthesia, which makes me worry because this clinic told me they don't have a strict weight limit.
Thanks a lot in advance! - Christian
 

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When you push the envelope for ear cropping (too old) it can take longer for the ears to stand properly. Many reputable breeders have ears done around 7 weeks and the pups go home when they are old enough. Just a kind of FYI...good croppers are few and far between. Not every vet who claims to be a cropper can do a good job. Some vets don't even do crops these days. Just wondering why your breeder didn't take care of this prior to selling the puppy?
 

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Welcome to DT.

The age cut off is due to the fact that the later you crop, the harder it is to get the ears to stand properly.
 

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Im assuming it would have been too young maybe? I got him at the youngest possible age, 7 weeks. I did ask about the cropping and they informed me that the tails were docked but ears not yet cropped but gave me the recommended time frame and told me where the other pups from the litter were getting theirs done by their respective buyers. I did look into this breeder before buying, visited the property and saw the parents, he's akc registered, etc., so I am confident in them as doberman breeders:) But you're not the first person to ask me that
 

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I've not heard of an upper weight limit for cropping, I have heard of an age limit. The vet that cropped all 3 of my litters had a lower weight limit before she would crop and did all of my litters at 9 weeks of age. It has been over 7 years since my last litter.... but I seem to recall that she wanted them to be about 12 pounds or more (I could be off on that number). Vet who did mine was Sophia Koster DVM in NJ - she is also a Doberman breeder.
 
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Thanks for the replies, helps a lot. Is there a way to reply to comment individually or is it just posted along with all comments on the particular thread?
 

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Thanks for the replies, helps a lot. Is there a way to reply to comment individually or is it just posted along with all comments on the particular thread?
You can Private Message (PM) any member on DT.

Go to the top of the page at the right corner and under your "handle" you will see a line: private message. Click on that and you will see several options. One is to send a new message to a member. Its pretty self explanatory.

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Hmmm--DT just evaporated a message I sent in this thread--oh well--it happens from time to time.

Christian--I'd be more concerned about a cropper who was cropping your puppy at 14 weeks than the fact they didn't have a strict weight limit.

Weight limits are so influenced by breed, sex (males are often a good bit heavier than bitch puppies by the time they are normally cropped--7 to 10 weeks for Dobermans).

But as Rosemary said--most Dobe croppers don't really want them older than 12 weeks max because by then the cartilage of the ear has already hardened enough to cause problem in trying to get the ears to stand properly.

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Thanks for the help. If you were in my shoes, would you choose to crop at 13 weeks or just leave the ears floppy. I've seen some dobes that got cropped at this age and they stood fine, just took a little longer to be done posting.
 

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13 wks is pushing the limit. I suppose if you got a short military crop you could have success with them standing. I wouldn't chance the longer show crop though.
My son purchased a Boxer puppy from a less than stellar breeder that had not cropped the litter. At age 13 weeks they were wanting to then crop the ears and
I advised them to just leave them be. I think it is a little harder on the puppies at that age, too. But, I haven't heard that from anybody, it is just me.
 
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Thanks for the help. If you were in my shoes, would you choose to crop at 13 weeks or just leave the ears floppy. I've seen some dobes that got cropped at this age and they stood fine, just took a little longer to be done posting.
Tough call. 13 weeks is pretty late. Another consideration is the amount of time you a willing to spend posting the ears. It will take months assuming that they will actually stand.

Me? I am very familiar with posting, yet I would probably leave them, unless I was willing to have a very short, military style crop done.

Natural ears look a heck of a lot better than a "crop and flop".

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When you push the envelope for ear cropping (too old) it can take longer for the ears to stand properly. Many reputable breeders have ears done around 7 weeks and the pups go home when they are old enough. Just a kind of FYI...good croppers are few and far between. Not every vet who claims to be a cropper can do a good job. Some vets don't even do crops these days. Just wondering why your breeder didn't take care of this prior to selling the puppy?
We have had Dobies for a good time and we have found that 99.9 of the Vets are the worse place to get the crops done ! They all think they are great in there minds but they suck !

VZ hit the nail on the head , the best ears we have got are on Mr. Business , I need to call Cindy and ask her where she got them done .

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I think it is a little harder on the puppies at that age, too. But, I haven't heard that from anybody, it is just me.

One day a vet and I were talking about cropping , he made the same statement as you did Bonnie , it has to do with nerves and bigger blood vessels = bleeding .
 

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@ GK

I see your point. Member MomnaL's boy Rip, is one of my favorite dogs on DT. He has a total crop failure. Still... What personality. He is so darn cute! She calls him her "Derpy Dog". LOL

Still, one has to thinks about $$$ and time invested when the chance of failure is real.
As I told the OP... It's a tough decision.

The main reason that I would do it is that in my experience, the months of posting end up as being a wonderful early age bonding experience, It also inures the dog to overt hands on attention, by vets, techs, groomers, handlers, etc.

Tough call

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I don't know John--I vaguely remember starting to answer the thread and then deciding the question had been adequately answered and thought I deleted it--guess not--Ooooops and apologies.

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