Yes my thinking as well that's why I am posting for information.. Are there courses available on how to use them properly?I would not purchase an e collar unless you are incredibly experienced with one. You need to work with a highly skilled trainer who can guide you on the proper technique, otherwise you will do more damage to your dog than help.
pros : very useful tool when needed, and when used properly. can help proof off leash obedience and long distance recalls. great for deaf dogs (vibrate function!)
cons : anyone can buy them, and use them incorrectly or out of anger instead of actually teaching their dogs
Nitro has been through basic obedience one and two and basic commands. Batted by treats But I will admitted finding a quality trainer has been challenging. . We live in the Kelowna area in British Columbia and find a wide verity of trainer's at a high price .. Nitro is a 9 month old male but always pushes the issue of jumping and biteing he knows he is in the wrong but just not willing to stop.. he is not always willing to come when called and will bolt when not on leash or in fenced area.. continually wimpers when in the back of the SUV and goes into a little bit of attack mode when coming across stranger s to him.. no e training that's why I am posting hear to gather information. . One thing I am amazed with is everyone is an expert and everyone has the answer if you have the money when some could not even train a bee to make honey if you get what I'm saying ..Not online, that I know of. I'd start with training classes in yor area, where you go with your dog to class. Then, if needed, find an experienced handler who can help show you how to use one.
How old is your dog? What training have you done with the dog thus far? What methods? E collars aren't needed for a lot of training areas.
Look for bird dog marketed/branded e collars , many brands made for pointers and the like have a much greater distance such as a mileAre there any E-collars that have a 1 mile range on them?
Dogtra's are crap compared to an e-collar technologies educator. I like everyone at our club used to use a Dogtra until the "Einstein" (name changed later to educator). The educator has low stim and boost buttons for a variety of training approaches. Also the Dogtra build quality went to crap. At one time with the 20 members of our club we were experiencing about a 50% fail rate within a year of purchase with the Dogtra.The only brand I trust and recommend is Dogtra. E collars are not the item to skimp and save a few bucks on.
Interesting, apart from batteries I've never had a failure with Dogtra but I'll check out Educator.Dogtra's are crap compared to an e-collar technologies educator. I like everyone at our club used to use a Dogtra until the "Einstein" (name changed later to educator). The educator has low stim and boost buttons for a variety of training approaches. Also the Dogtra build quality went to crap. At one time with the 20 members of our club we were experiencing about a 50% fail rate within a year of purchase with the Dogtra.
From the customer service, to the build quality, to the quality of the collar the Educator is the best choice there is. Period.
I'm not disputing that e-collars can be bad tools in the wrong hands but what I'd like to hear is a clinical description of a "ruined" dog as a result. As in what the actual negative effects are; not the one in a million horror stories but everyday consequences of misuse.I think you can easily ruin a good dog if you mis-use an e-collar, and a lot of people do. I strongly recommend you do not do this yet, and you do not do it without a highly skilled trainer in person. It is not an "easy fix" tool to problems that can be solved through putting more work into training your dog.
I can't link you to studies, and I'm certainly not a PETA fan. However, I'm a pretty good reader of dog body language, and I see a heck of a lot of dogs out and about in parks with e-collars on, our out "training" with their people. I've spent several years studying behavior and training, and I generally have a pretty good read on when dogs are showing stress, and I see a LOT of dogs in e-collars showing a LOT of stress. I also see a lot that are disregarding their owners commands, getting increasingly higher levels of corrections. I see collars being used incorrectly, unhappy dogs, etc. And I also have quite a few friends who are professional trainers who see the fallout when collars are misused, so I've heard quite a few of those stories firsthand. It's not a small number.I'm not disputing that e-collars can be bad tools in the wrong hands but what I'd like to hear is a clinical description of a "ruined" dog as a result. As in what the actual negative effects are; not the one in a million horror stories but everyday consequences of misuse.
I've heard and read far too many emotional, borderline nonsensical, arguments against them over the years. I am in no way, lumping you into that category - please understand that. I'd just appreciate it if someone could direct me to objective research/findings - not PETA hype.