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Dry skin..flakes.. any best lotion? advice..

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can i use human lotion on my fawn Doberman? look like nothing is helping her dry flaky skin.. after having rash issues and loosing her fawn color hair. im just wondering is there safe human lotion i can use on her.. to releive the itch, flakes, scabs..

seems like her rashes are all gone.. now its only the dry skin and some hair loss escpecially where she itches.. top of her head and her ridge on her back seem the wrost.. winter is coming and cold weather too.. i hope she wont be all bald by the time theres snow.. :(

thanks for the advice..
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No, you want to treat the flakes from the "inside" (food, nutrition, supps) rather than the outside. Has she seen a vet to determine if it is staph, etc. or just 'dry skin'?

What do you feed? Do you bathe often? What do you use? Do you rub her coat both directions (sometimes that can cause flakes).

It's not uncommon for fawns or blues to have some coat issues.
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I'd recommend a consult with a veterinary dermatologist, especially with a fawn.

You may also want to check out Storm's Regimen. It's designed for blues, but is equally applicable for fawns: Storm's Regimen
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If your fawn doesn't have any intolerances or allergies to the ingredients, I would suggest putting her on a fish based diet like Acana Pacifica. Fish is naturally good for the skin.

Here is a review: Dog Food Reviews - Acana Pacifica - Powered by ReviewPost

I am also a big pusher of sardines for skin issues with dogs. Check out this whole thread, especially the article link supplies on the benefits of sardines.

http://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman-health/58536-sardines-good-allergies.html

I am not sure of any lotion to put on your dog. You might talk to your vet about that one. I would think you could use aloe vera on the spots, ask vet to make sure.
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I'd recommend a consult with a veterinary dermatologist, especially with a fawn.

You may also want to check out Storm's Regimen. It's designed for blues, but is equally applicable for fawns: Storm's Regimen


i did read and consult the Storm's Regimen.. very detailed.. and i appreciate all the advice i got from it.. i do fallow parts of it.. and that helped with the rash.. her diet is pretty good as it is... she started to eat alot more and im thinking of adding the once in a while sardines.. (just worried about the smell..urck).. lol.. she is overall healthy, happy girl. its just the sensitive skin which i now understand now that is really common in Fawns and blues.. ( if only i would of known that before we got her.. never got informed about it from the breeder) at one point i thought it was a type of flea... because her brother ( boston terrier) had itchy skin and sheding like crazy.. then i realized it was just sheding season..

yesterday night i applied the leave in conditioner that my vet prescribed me.. i didnt know i could apply it on her dry fur.. or use it for dry spots.. and it seemed to help her from picking at it.. but she seems to smell more like a wet dog this morning.. ohhh and we added a humidifier in our room.. (cant hurt).. lets see how it goes from now on..

its just sad to see that she lost so much hair.. her lower chest is practicly bald.. and not long ago at the dog park i saw 2 black dobes.. and holly sheesh i was speachless by the thickness of their coat.. when you can see my poor Supra's skin and funny pattern.. (fawn hair = yucky..rust hair = is fine) :( we still love her so much. and she is sooo good with our 7mo old baby girl.. just a little cosmetic issue..
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No, you want to treat the flakes from the "inside" (food, nutrition, supps) rather than the outside. Has she seen a vet to determine if it is staph, etc. or just 'dry skin'?

What do you feed? Do you bathe often? What do you use? Do you rub her coat both directions (sometimes that can cause flakes).

It's not uncommon for fawns or blues to have some coat issues.
we feed her "Fromm adult gold" .. Bathe her i'd say once every 2-3 weeks since i noticed her rashes and hair issue (vet prescribed me oatmeal shampoo and the leave in conditioner lotion $$$ ).. i do rub and scrub.. (she always seems to have yellow scaby flaky follicles and i want to remove them..) is that bad? then shes ok for about 2-3 days.. and it all comes back.. shes been itching alot at her forhead.. since this summer.. it causes little bloody scabs and shes almost hairless from between her eyes to between her ears.. :(
thx for the help!
fromm's is good food, unless your dog has allergies from the grain or protein or other ingredients. IMO if dry skin is there, switch to grain free and possibly chicken free diet...So, try Orijen 6fish next bag of food. Be sure there is food left to mix with old. orijen is know for making big changes in the coats of many dogs. Good part about you feeding fromm is Orijen is barely any more money to feed.
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I would not scrub her skin just go the same direction it is growing. You can also make your own oatmeal rinse take some oatmeal run it in a food processor until it is a fine flour take a little put it in a glass of water. If it feels silky its good to go mix up a bigger batch put it in the bath tub let her soak in it sponging it over her.Then very lightly pat dry do not rinse it off. Are you giving Salmon Oil I give Buddy Salmon oil capsules from WalMart everyday,vitamin e twice a week only.Good luck
Have you researched CDA? The hair she has lost will not grow back and it does not affect the rust markings. If you haven't already I would look into jackets for winter and maybe jammies for in the house
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my red dobe has pretty bad dry skin esp after baths, and i use a great oatmeal shampoo/conditioner. gus has been taking omega supplements, specifically fish oil tablets solve it really well, my vet gave me them and told me how much of the tablet to give gus. he hasn't had a problem since. good luck :)
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my red dobe has pretty bad dry skin esp after baths, and i use a great oatmeal shampoo/conditioner. gus has been taking omega supplements, specifically fish oil tablets solve it really well, my vet gave me them and told me how much of the tablet to give gus. he hasn't had a problem since. good luck :)
What is the brand name of the fish oil tablets that you use? Thanks.
I'd maybe consult a dog dermatologist, too. The sardines are an easy thing to do that aren't going to hurt anything.

Generally I don't think it's recommended to bathe dogs that frequently, because it can actually irritate and dry out the skin more, and strip the skin of its natural oils.. I personally would drop down the bathing. I bathe my dogs normally about 3-4 times a year only. You can dilute Apple Cider Vinegar with 4 parts water and use it for a rinse or a spray/wipe down in between baths - it can help soothe the skin, it takes off dirt (and odor), and I believe it has antibacterial (or is it fungal?) properties.

Also, when you bathe, be sure to use cool, not hot water, to dilute the shampoo, massage the shampoo in, DON'T scrub, and rinse twice as long as you think you need to. Bathing incorrectly or too frequently can actually aggravate the skin issues.

I love Orijen, but I had to back off from it due to the price. I now use Acana as my Orijen replacement - similar quality, grain-free, and cheaper (more on the line of Fromms).

One last thing - maybe someone mentioned it but I missed it - have you had the vets check for staph?
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we feed her "Fromm adult gold" .. Bathe her i'd say once every 2-3 weeks since i noticed her rashes and hair issue (vet prescribed me oatmeal shampoo and the leave in conditioner lotion $$$ ).. i do rub and scrub.. (she always seems to have yellow scaby flaky follicles and i want to remove them..) is that bad? then shes ok for about 2-3 days.. and it all comes back.. shes been itching alot at her forhead.. since this summer.. it causes little bloody scabs and shes almost hairless from between her eyes to between her ears.. :(
thx for the help!
Sweetz,

What you are describing in hair loss is a typical CDA (color dilution alopeca) pattern. Most pronounced on the back from behind the shoulders to the hips. Thinning on the chest. The rust markings are not affected by the hair loss and the fawn coat tends to feel very harsh (which a lot of folk interpret as "dry"). Someone already pointed out that hair loss due to CDA will probably never regrow. If you have not had her thyroid checked (full panel, not just T4) I'd certainly do that but the hair loss you describe is not actually what normally shows up in just a thyroid related hair loss.

About the bathing--STOP SCRUBBING AT HER COAT!!!!!! Even for black dogs or red dogs this isn't good to do. You are probably creating more problems for her (the flakiness) by doing that. Scrubbing at coat of a short haired dog like a Doberman with fingernails, scrub brushes, the little rubber things that look like curry combs etc can and probably will create further irritation of the skin. Some of the flakiness is probably due to folliculitis (inflamation or infection of the hair follicle itself) so stop doing that. Whatever shampoo you use should be thinned and applied in the direction the coat grows (with the lay of the hair) with a wash cloth or soft sponge. And if you are bathing in warm water stop that too. If the water feels comfortably warm to you it's too warm to be good for dog skin. At most it should be tepid which means it feels cold to you. I've stopped bathing my dogs in anything except cold water--I NEVER have dandruff, flakes or "dry" skin. I have a fawn dog--his skin is fine. He has hair loss due to CDA--but on a relative scale for dilute Dobes he's still at nearly 6 has a pretty good coat.

He generally gets bathed every two or three months. I use a prescription, medicated shampoo ONLY on the top of his head where he occasionally get a bumpy rash. If I catch it early I can clean only that area with the medicated shampoo, rinse thoroughly and it will clear up in days.

I do use a leave in conditioner but I use it very moderately because if you get too much on it'll attract a lot of dirt. I put it in a spray bottle (and I thin it down about 1:10) and when he's still wet from bathing I spray all of his body coat down. When you dry a short haired dog off--the same rules apply as in bathing. Wipe the dog down with a towel in the direction of the lay of the coat. Or just let them shake and dry off without toweling at all if the weather is warm.

I would not use lotions of any sort on a dog--their dermis is built differently from humans skin and the products intended for human use usually just end up as a scum on the top of the skin and collect dirt.

I wouldn't be so concerned about which food as long as the dog is doing well on it. I feel ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach which happens to be a fish formula but I wouldn't bet that a fish formula would be any better than any other protein source.

I don't give a lot of supplements but I do give fish oil (I use gel caps from Costco--Kirkland house brand)--the ones I use are 1,000 mg and all the dogs get one with each meal (so two a day) and one 400iu Vitamin E cap once a day. If you are supplementing with fish oil you should be adding Vitamin E at about 200iu for every 1,000-1,200 mg of the fish oil.

Hope some of this helps.
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Sweetz,

What you are describing in hair loss is a typical CDA (color dilution alopeca) pattern. Most pronounced on the back from behind the shoulders to the hips. Thinning on the chest. The rust markings are not affected by the hair loss and the fawn coat tends to feel very harsh (which a lot of folk interpret as "dry"). Someone already pointed out that hair loss due to CDA will probably never regrow. If you have not had her thyroid checked (full panel, not just T4) I'd certainly do that but the hair loss you describe is not actually what normally shows up in just a thyroid related hair loss.

About the bathing--STOP SCRUBBING AT HER COAT!!!!!! Even for black dogs or red dogs this isn't good to do. You are probably creating more problems for her (the flakiness) by doing that. Scrubbing at coat of a short haired dog like a Doberman with fingernails, scrub brushes, the little rubber things that look like curry combs etc can and probably will create further irritation of the skin. Some of the flakiness is probably due to folliculitis (inflamation or infection of the hair follicle itself) so stop doing that. Whatever shampoo you use should be thinned and applied in the direction the coat grows (with the lay of the hair) with a wash cloth or soft sponge. And if you are bathing in warm water stop that too. If the water feels comfortably warm to you it's too warm to be good for dog skin. At most it should be tepid which means it feels cold to you. I've stopped bathing my dogs in anything except cold water--I NEVER have dandruff, flakes or "dry" skin. I have a fawn dog--his skin is fine. He has hair loss due to CDA--but on a relative scale for dilute Dobes he's still at nearly 6 has a pretty good coat.

He generally gets bathed every two or three months. I use a prescription, medicated shampoo ONLY on the top of his head where he occasionally get a bumpy rash. If I catch it early I can clean only that area with the medicated shampoo, rinse thoroughly and it will clear up in days.

I do use a leave in conditioner but I use it very moderately because if you get too much on it'll attract a lot of dirt. I put it in a spray bottle (and I thin it down about 1:10) and when he's still wet from bathing I spray all of his body coat down. When you dry a short haired dog off--the same rules apply as in bathing. Wipe the dog down with a towel in the direction of the lay of the coat. Or just let them shake and dry off without toweling at all if the weather is warm.

I would not use lotions of any sort on a dog--their dermis is built differently from humans skin and the products intended for human use usually just end up as a scum on the top of the skin and collect dirt.

I wouldn't be so concerned about which food as long as the dog is doing well on it. I feel ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach which happens to be a fish formula but I wouldn't bet that a fish formula would be any better than any other protein source.

I don't give a lot of supplements but I do give fish oil (I use gel caps from Costco--Kirkland house brand)--the ones I use are 1,000 mg and all the dogs get one with each meal (so two a day) and one 400iu Vitamin E cap once a day. If you are supplementing with fish oil you should be adding Vitamin E at about 200iu for every 1,000-1,200 mg of the fish oil.

Hope some of this helps.
Why the need to add vitamin e when you supplement fish oil? Thanks.
Why the need to add vitamin e when you supplement fish oil? Thanks.
Evidently the Vitamin E is used in conjunction with the Omega 3 in the fish oil which acts as an anti-oxidant.. I had read this several places including in dermatology texts intended for veterinarians. I asked about it when our clinic had a vet dermatologist/allergist in for a seminar on skin disorders in dogs. He verified what I'd read.
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If you look carefully, you can find human fish oil capsules that have some Vitamin E included in them - that's what I do so I don't have to add another capsule to the food (just easier). But it's tricky to find the right brand that has it. They are out there, though!
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If you look carefully, you can find human fish oil capsules that have some Vitamin E included in them - that's what I do so I don't have to add another capsule to the food (just easier). But it's tricky to find the right brand that has it. They are out there, though!
When I first got Neo, He had dry skin. I give him one cod liver oil capsule per day with his food. His dry skin has gone and his coat is very shiny. He is awesome to look at.
I read on a website it also helps prevent Hip dysplasia.
Lots of good information on baths and rinses here: How Often Should You Bathe Your Pet?
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thanks soooo much for the advice on how to bathe her.. (direction of her coat.. and no more scrubbing!) got it :) ...

she is now transitioning to Orijen 6 fish (ouff what a smell, lets just say that the cat is reallllllly interested..lol) ...and i give her dr.Maggies skin & coat supplement..i also got an ointement from dr.Maggies for her head bumps/scabs.. ill keep you all posted on her skin,hair..rash..condition...lets hope this works!

we've noticed a pattern that she scratches herself alot whenever we leave the house.. we notice crazy scratch marks on her ears..head..and front underarms.. perhaps anxiety combination with cda? :(
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