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Hello I was just curious if anyone else has dobies that do the same thing...

Ive been taking my doberman hades to the dog park everyday for a couple hours since he was a little guy. As he has been getting older now 7 1/2 months old he likes to bully dogs around. He never bites, but he likes to grab the scruff of every dog and throw them down and pin himself on top. If a dog doesnt want to play with him a runs around barking at the dog. He is not neutered. Just want to know other peoples experiences. maybe a dominance phase? :thanx:



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That's not dominance as much as it is simply rude behavior. While dobes, male dobes especially, aren't good candidates fr dog parks this behavior is just ASKING for trouble. If he was my dog and I was comfortable taking him to the dog park still we would be leaving as soon as that behavior started. To me it's not acceptable behavior.
 

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Due the dog justice and yourself and stop taking him to a dog park.
It might a dominance phase, it might be genetic, it might be learned behaviour, etc, it really doesnt matter, it has to be prevented and nipped in the butt, because be it either a positive or negative behaviour, once it is repeated, the dog sees it as acceptable.

I am not a big fan of dog parks, period, one unruly dog and it can ruin another dog. For all you know, one of those takedown dogs pinned by yours, might have mental scars, just by a little play. He was most likely playing, but Dobes are best to play with each other and even then, they have to be put in check. ie: vocal, ceasing said activity etc.
 
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I agree that this is some rude behavior. I have been taking my dobe to the dog park since he was little too, Odin is now 11 1/2 months and I can not take him as much anymore unless it is with regulars. Odin does not do well with other dogs that are dominate. In the dog park I have always broke up a play session if Odin was trying to be a bully or getting to rough.

I feel comfortable taking to the dog park because I have a lot of experience with large dog groups and know dog behavior enough to when a dog fight is about to happen. I will probably stop taking him to the dog park with dogs that he does not know and only with dogs that he has grown up with and has no problems with.

I suggest you do the same, I would stop taking him unless you know a small group of people that your dobe does well with and stick with those because you are just asking for trouble. If your dobe does that behavior that you are explaining to another dog that is not going to tolerate that a dog fight will happen. Two dominate dogs in a fight is hard to break up because neither will back down so if you get a hold of one dog someone has to be near to grab the other one.
 
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Male Doberman s are known for their male dog aggression it does not make any difference if they are neutered or not. Their are articles about all though out DT just look in the search at the top of the page. male Doberman s not good in dog parks also on leerburg.com they have a good article on Dog Parks.
 

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I get nervous when a dog scruff grabs because in my obedience class we were just chatting about how dogs play and my instructor said to stop a dog if they go for the collar or around the scruff. She said this because someone she knew witnessed their dog being choked to death by another dog because he accidentally caught the collar of her dog when he grabbed the scruff and shook/rolled him around. Sad to hear, but be careful at dog parks because your dog could really hurt someone else's or vice versa, and that isn't fair to you or the other person if you were just minding your own business. Thank goodness Brandy is a bumper and roller, not a biter! Haha!
 
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If I were a dog owner at your park, I would be very upset that your dog was grabbing mine - it can escalate fear in young dogs, foster reactiveness, and worst of all - potentially start a fight with another dominant dog. Some dogs will NOT tolerate another dog grabbing them by the scruff or pinning them. If your pup tried that with my dog, my dog would likely shred him. I'm just telling you this to warn you.. for your own dog's safety, you should keep him out the dog park until you can get the behavior under control, and keep him out permanently if you can't. (I don't take my dog to dog parks because even though I've never seen him start a fight, he can be a pushy dog too and I have no doubt that he would try to finish a fight if another dog irritated him.)
 

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First off, thank you for being a good dog owner and noticing. I would however take the next step and remove him from the dog parks. He's being an a** and a bully. It may or may not get better but for now, I'd remove him. Either find a few close friends he can play with and/or find a trainer to see if you can work on it. I personally would not allow it.
 

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Hi there,

You wanted some experiences, so I thought I'd share:

When my girl was younger (6 or so months), we were at an off leash dog park. She is very well socialized and was bouncing around happy as could be. Some dude walked by with a St. Bernard who, I'm guessing, was older but not done growing (was still pretty darn big though). Sophie was playing with a couple other dogs and the St. Bernard bounded in a scattered them. He came up on Sophie and she submitted. He kept pushing her, figuratively, to run so he could chase her... she'd bound away a couple steps then cower and submit again. Every time, the St. Bernard would come up on her and "stand over" her. She was clearly upset.

I've read a lot about how, with this breed, YOU need to protect THEM at a young age. Giving them a fear hangup while young can make the next 10+ years of their lives and yours just really tough (plenty of obvious reasons why).

I hurried over to Sophie and "body checked" the St. Bernard away from her, getting between the two. Meanwhile, dude was standing there playing with his phone or something. The St. Bernard kept pushing it, but by this time, I was in his way and Soph has trotted off to go play. I looked at the guy and, in my best "you're a jackass voice" I told him to leash his dog NOW. At that point, other dog owners started busting his balls too. End result, he did, and I've never seen them since.

While my experience is from the other side of the coin, I can agree with everyone else that this behavior needs to be managed by you. You recognize the behavior, so you're on top of it. Just don't let it slide as a phase. It would be very easy to turn into "that guy and his jerk dog" in the eyes of the other park visitors. Here in WI, complaints can be filed against owners for this type of behavior.
 

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Toby periodically has something of a lapse in his manners when it comes to playing, luckily he is only allowed to play with dogs he cannot dominate or behave rudely with. (he grabs dogs by the back of the neck and rolls them around). If he tries to get hold of them they usually give him a good ticking off followed by me. (No matter how quickly I react I am always slower than my friends dogs). I do not allow this sort of behaviour and I don't think you should either, perhaps you could enroll in obediance classes, socialisation classes etc to help you and your boy get over this problem. Do not ignore it, it won't just go away, you have to do something about it and do it about it now. Before it is too late.
 
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