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Greetings from Utah!
Just wanted to say hello and announce that after almost 5 years of planning, preparing, and educating, I am going to be a Doberman mommy next month! My black and rust boy is out of state at the moment, so I haven't even seen him in person yet(only through pictures), but I am travelling to go visit him in a few weeks and I am super excited! All I know as of right now is that he's just over a week old, born of excellent champion Kimbertal and Wingate lines, and just had his little tail docked and dew claws removed. Pictures to come soon, I'm sure!

I have been fascinated with this breed for years and am so excited to finally be able to start a new journey with one of my own. I have great working plans for this little boy and I am excited to watch him develop the skills this breed is known for and get all the doggy loves and cuddles in the meantime. I have dutifully done my homework, so I hope our pairing is one made in heaven. I also look forward to being around fellow Dobe fans such as yourselves, as I'm sure I'll need your input and support for such an amazing breed at some point.

Thanks!:)
 
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Hi ! Welcome to DT ! Waiting for photos ! I know it's hard to wait, and that 2/3 months until you have your puppy at home seems to last forever!
 

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Kimbertal Kennels in PA?
Homepage | Kimbertal Kennels
All studs are titled working champions, most international, as well as an "out-placement" of breeding females to people close to Kimbertal so all puppies are raised in a family enviornment(after going through a screeing process). They welcome visitors, have information on house-training and ear posting, have full puppy contracts(and prices that show it) and are one of the main sources of police and decection Dobermans for my local and surrounding police agencies(which is where my puppy's dam originates from).

They seem pretty legit to me. Am I wrong?
 

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There's about 6000 Kimbertal threads on DT. In fact, google their name and you'll find most of those threads.

Obviously you're new to the breed. Stick around and learn. Check out the link in my signature line. Check out the DPCA DPCA | Home


Kimbertal Kennels in PA?
Homepage | Kimbertal Kennels
All studs are titled working champions, most international, as well as an "out-placement" of breeding females to people close to Kimbertal so all puppies are raised in a family enviornment(after going through a screeing process). They welcome visitors, have information on house-training and ear posting, have full puppy contracts(and prices that show it) and are one of the main sources of police and decection Dobermans for my local and surrounding police agencies(which is where my puppy's dam originates from).

They seem pretty legit to me. Am I wrong?
 

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That's the same Kimbertal. It's a huge puppy mill for both dobermans and rotties that provides studs and breeding stock to terrible breeders all over. They're not a breeder that educated doberman (or rottie) people support.

Welcome though. I do hope you stay and read and learn and participate :]
 

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Oh wow. Go back and do way more research. K-Tal is nothing but a Puppy Mill, and routinely supplies those that don't know any better, with sub par Dobes for a much higher price than you would pay for quality puppy from a ethical breeder.

Kimbertal is a joke within the Dobe community. There is a gal here locally that has both a K-Tal bitch and a Hoytt (another puppy mill) bitch, that she keeps dragging around to shows. A judge would have to be blind to give either of them an award, they are horrible examples of the breed.

Check out these links, then come back here let us know where you are located and we can not only point you toward a good, ethical breeder, but undoubtedly save you some money and heartache as well.


Rip-Off Report, Kimbertal


Kimbertal, Good or Bad Breeder


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Oh, and welcome to DT. Please stay and learn.
 

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Wow! You're right, enough reading to last a lifetime, and definitely from both sides of the fence. I am completely new to the breed, but what I am most new to is how black and white people are about this breed and all of its aspects: love it/hate it, ear cropping's wrong/ear cropping's good, schutzhund is evil/schutzhund needs more support, European is best/American is best, white is unhealthy/white is just fine, etc.... It sounds like it all seems to come down to personal preference and sound education and breeders are just as much a part of it. I can't say Kimbertal is best nor completely ethical(especially if there are owners that claim serious issues with it-yikes!), but what I can say is I have seen the health cert with my own eyes of my puppy's dam, which is clean as a whistle. She has a sound and stable temperament, is a loving family dog, and hails from Kimbertal, so I would assume I'm getting a good dog from her end. Only time, proper training, and more education will tell if that statement's true and if in fact Kimbertal is doing shady deals or creating unhealthy dogs, I hope it is put to a stop asap.
Thank you for the information, though. I appreciate it.
 

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Also, I absolutely plan on reading whatever information/opinions anyone has, so by all means, share!
 

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Kimbertal has been discussed ad nauseum. Please use the search feature above or google their name. There is enough information out there for one to know K-tal is a puppy mill.


Also, I absolutely plan on reading whatever information/opinions anyone has, so by all means, share!
 

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Here are some threads discussing Ktal. Please educate yourself more before purchasing.

http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/1729-kimbertal.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/general-off-topic-chat/4264-pa-kennel-inspection-records-now-web.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/8433-kimbertal.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/11936-kimbertal-2-a.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman-related-chat/10228-wiking-di-perlanera-bumpys-ancestors.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman-related-chat/10192-kimbertal-kennel.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-corner/18559-found-new-puppy-kimbertall-ch.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/25960-breeders-pa-plz-help.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/22032-byb-puppy-mills.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/28055-kimbertal-fun.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/32874-kimbertal-question.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/31108-kimbertal-champ-lines.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/30288-kimbertal-ripoff-report.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...ertal-kennels-dobie-breeder-kimberton-pa.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman-related-chat/44060-why-i-most-likely-will-buy-kimbertal.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...kimbertal-until-i-researched-them-furthe.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/44635-kimbertal-dogs.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/50237-kimbertal.html
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/18583-whats-issues-altobello-kimbertal.html

A really good one for numbers:
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...imbertal-please-post-bybs-using-kt-lines.html

A really good one for craptastic pedigrees:
http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/44518-analyzing-kimbertal-pedigree.html

I got tired of linking all the threads that talk about Ktal... feel free to use the search function.
 

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I'm sure members near you can list some ethical breeders that would be worth your while to check out.


You are falling victim to a pretty website and marketing scams.
 

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I'm not falling victim(I hope!) to any scams, thank you very much. The first thing I did when I contacted my breeder(s)-dam's out of state, sire's here at home, was to see health certs for both. Before the breeding ever even took place. This was before I even before I knew what Kimbertal was, so trust me when I say health of body and mind was first priority. I am not buying a puppy direct from Kimbertal, there is just one line(paternal) of Kimbertal dogs in my puppy's dam's pedigree. The only reason I said "champion Kimbertal lines" and such was because those dogs are, in fact, champions on their AKC pedigree. Please don't mistake my incorrect statement for being a die-hard Kimbertal fan or for settling for a second rate Dobe.
 

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but what I can say is I have seen the health cert with my own eyes of my puppy's dam, which is clean as a whistle. She has a sound and stable temperament, is a loving family dog, and hails from Kimbertal, so I would assume I'm getting a good dog from her end.
First, like everything in our society, if there is money in it and people are willing to pay it.... you will never put a stop to places like Kimbertal.

When I was a teenager, my father and I were in PA visiting my Aunt, and while we were there we visited K-Tal. This was 30+ years ago and they were a known puppy mill then. I will say that the facilities were (and I understand still are) very nice and clean. More dogs than I could count all housed in Kennels. Most were friendly and most were sub-par quality wise. Prices were ridiculously high, and all you needed was $$$. Nobody cared who we were, no questions were asked -- it was and still is all about money.

Talk to some of the local Rescue people and they will tell you that if you want a K-tal dog, just go to the local shelter -- they are much less expensive there.

Okay, so you saw the health cert on the puppy's dam. What did it tell you?
Did it tell you the vWD status of the Dam and was the certification from VetGen or Vetnostic? Did it tell you the Thyroid status of the dam and were the results from MSU or Dr. Dodds? Did it tell you the liver and kidney panel results? Did you see the actual CERF certification for Eyes? How about OFA certification for Hips and Elbows? Did you see the actual Holter Results? Were the Holter results read by ALBA or a Veterinarian Cardiologist? Were the Holter results recent (within the last year)? Did you see the results of the Echocardiogram? Were these results read and reported by a Veterinary Cardiologist? Do you know the cause of death for the grand parents and great-grand parents? Any history of Wobblers in the Pedigree?

What about the Sire? He contributes 50%, so you need to see all the same certifications and have all the same information for him.

Perhaps what you saw was a health certificate from a vet. Let me tell you what a HC from a Vet consists of: physical exam, looks in mouth, looks in ears, palpates abdomen, takes temperature, notes condition of coat. On occasion they may even run a CBC and/or fecal. So, the dog appears healthy externally but what about internally?

Think about this carefully and do some more research. Start with the DPCA (Doberman Pinscher of America) website. www.dpca.org
While you are there check out the Breeder's referral. You are bound to find somebody closer to you that will not only provide you with a well bred healthy pup, but also provide you with support throughout the life of your Dog.

Kimbertal breeds 300+ puppies a year -- there is no way they can possibly keep up with all these pups.
 

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After 5 years of "planning, preparing and educating" I am shocked you decided to go with a Kimbertal pup.

Yes I can speak to this issue, I made a mistake years and years ago and bought from a BYB who bred Kimbertal dogs. I have learned so very much since then.

Welcome to the forum, please stay and learn more.
 

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I am glad that you are not supporting K-Tal directly, but if you are purchasing a puppy from somebody that did support K-Tal (using/breeding one of their dogs), you are are not purchasing from an ethical breeder.

I have a very nice Champion male and have been approached several times by people wanting to use him with their bitch. All have been turned away, simply because the bitch is not of acceptable quality. I know for a fact that 2 of these people did in fact get their bitches bred to a K-Tal dog.

Kimbertal is the choice of BYB's (Back Yard Breeders).
 
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