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My doberman is about 1 year old. I have read a lot about dobermans having male on male aggression issues. Some folks in different forums and websites are quite certain that this Is true of most dobermans. I have socialized my puppy regularly and I have two other male adult dogs and two cats that he gets along with very well. He seem to have a very friendly temperament. If this is true about dobermans, at what age can I expect a drastic change in the way he interacts with other male dogs? I have read in various places that the doberman does not reach adulthood until 18 months to two years. I am wanting to find out when such qualities as fearlessness and protective instinctive "doberman" behaviors will show up. I feel he is still a puppy and that changes will come. When did you see your doberman start to behave like the confident, protective, fearless, and even negatives like male on male aggression or other common characteristics no seen as a puppy?

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I think you have just found out information that scares you, and with good reason.

I have no experience with a male doberman, but I hope you get some good info here because you could be in trouble. If it was me I wouldn't want to wait for something bad to happen before preventing it.

Are you familiar with calming signals, so that you can watch your male(s) at all times?
 

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My boys have typically been between 18 and 24 months old before they started displaying Male-Male aggression. That's not to say that some don't display it earlier. This has been my personal experience only.

I am sure there are more here that will chime in with their experiences.
 

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Buddy is a 6 year old male neutered Doberman has his CGC ( Canine Good citizenship certificate) he went though a beginners obedience class then got his CGC,. Due my health problems we did not go on though any more classes. Last year a Pit mix jumped the fence and attacked Buddy when we were out on my scooter the 6 year old female spayed 14# Dachshund was with us she was on the scooter. Buddy was not hurt the back pack he wears had a bite mark on it. Now if we go to the vets,Pets Mart,or Pet co I have to be aware of other dogs some times Buddy is reactive sometimes not.Before he was attacked he was not reactive but i have always kept him away from male dogs just in case.You never want a full grown Doberman in a dog fight. You may have to crate and rotate dogs in your future once they get into a fight if the opportunity comes up they may fight. Good Luck
 

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Sammy is neutered, he was always friendly with other male dogs and wanted to play with them when I took them out. Last April things changed, he doesn't like male dogs anymore. He turned four years old last June.
 

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My boys have typically been between 18 and 24 months old before they started displaying Male-Male aggression. That's not to say that some don't display it earlier. This has been my personal experience only.

I am sure there are more here that will chime in with their experiences.
That confirms what I have been reading. I have also read that if they grow up with the mature male house mates that they are more likely to get along. I have also read stories of people who's puppy grow up and tried to kill their male house mates. I am have been searching for information on what ages to expect typical behaviors from a doberman. I will have to rely on others personal experience because there are no studies I can find on the subject. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 

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Buddy is a 6 year old male neutered Doberman has his CGC ( Canine Good citizenship certificate) he went though a beginners obedience class then got his CGC,. Due my health problems we did not go on though any more classes. Last year a Pit mix jumped the fence and attacked Buddy when we were out on my scooter the 6 year old female spayed 14# Dachshund was with us she was on the scooter. Buddy was not hurt the back pack he wears had a bite mark on it. Now if we go to the vets,Pets Mart,or Pet co I have to be aware of other dogs some times Buddy is reactive sometimes not.Before he was attacked he was not reactive but i have always kept him away from male dogs just in case.You never want a full grown Doberman in a dog fight. You may have to crate and rotate dogs in your future once they get into a fight if the opportunity comes up they may fight. Good Luck
So I gather a bad experience can bring on the male on male aggression. Perhaps some dog behave that way from bad encounters, which can happen at any age.
 

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Sammy is neutered, he was always friendly with other male dogs and wanted to play with them when I took them out. Last April things changed, he doesn't like male dogs anymore. He turned four years old last June.
Do you feel he grew out of the desire to play, or just will no longer tolerate male encounters?
 

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I take him to the dog park regularly. My brother has an akita and once it reached 9 months he could no longer take it to the dog park. His akita forum people tell him they are not dog park dogs. As your puppies aged did their tolerance of male dogs at the park diminish? Will he still enjoy the dog park when he is grown?
 

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Sammy is neutered, he was always friendly with other male dogs and wanted to play with them when I took them out. Last April things changed, he doesn't like male dogs anymore. He turned four years old last June.
I would be interested to know whether this applied to all males your dog met (ie is it male? Yes. Then he wants it gone kinda thing) or just some (even if it's most) though obviously it's not something you would want to test. I have an entire male doberman who is almost 3. At about 7-8 months he changed with puberty and he decided there were male dogs he didn't like (I've yet to see him have any issue with a female though, even if they attack him). That said, there are also plenty of males he does like, both entire and neutered. Now to be fair, he has had a lot of socialisation and does both ANKC (CD, CDX titles) and dog sports (Schutzhund, agility titles etc) so he is well trained and spends a lot of time working around other powerful entire dogs.

I do wonder if it will change and a day will come when he won't like any boys. From 7 months till today though it's been about 50/50. He certainly exhibits many of the other traits mentioned by the OP though - protectiveness, confidence etc but he had those from about 6 months onwards.
 

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I take him to the dog park regularly. My brother has an akita and once it reached 9 months he could no longer take it to the dog park. His akita forum people tell him they are not dog park dogs. As your puppies aged did their tolerance of male dogs at the park diminish? Will he still enjoy the dog park when he is grown?
I used to take my boy to a lot of dog parks and he was mostly fine (he's had 3 'episodes' with staffy type dogs, that's it in almost 3 years). Up until 7 months I knew he wouldn't initiate anything, after that, I had to be much more attentive. I don't go as often these days because although not aggressive, my dog doesn't really enjoy playing with strange dogs anymore like he did when he was young. However I do still go from time to time; I went the other week to a very popular dog park with a friend and her maltese cross. The difference today is that I know if it weren't for training there would be a decent chance of issues arising whereas before it just wasn't something I needed to really think about.
 

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So I gather a bad experience can bring on the male on male aggression. Perhaps some dog behave that way from bad encounters, which can happen at any age.
Leash aggression or becoming reactive is different from same sex aggression. Any dog of any age can become reactive if they have a negative experience with another dog.

I know many males that are fine with other males and also see plenty turned into the rescue I volunteer at because they no longer get along with other males in the household.

In my house my males (dobe and Chihuahua) get along but my 2 female chihuahuas scrap on occasion. That said chihuahua fights are much easier to break up than dobermans or other large breeds.
 

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I know many males that are fine with other males and also see plenty turned into the rescue I volunteer at because they no longer get along with other males in the household.
That is good news at least there is proof of good outcomes :)
 

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My boy hades was socialed since birth he is now 11 months old. Around 10 months he started getting dominant. He would get pissed if a dog tried showing him dominance. We neutered him a couple weeks ago but so far no improvment. My husband is currently deployed so the vet thinks he has bad seperation anxiety so he may need to be medicated.
 

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Just wanted to point out that dominance and same sex aggression are two different things... Ashra is dominant, and it does not make the slightest bit of difference whether it is a male or a female that is trying to dominate her: she has had scraps with both sexes. It started when she was about 9 months old (she's 11 months old now). That said, she is friendly with other dogs and playful, as long as they "know their role" and don't show dominance or aggression towards her.
 

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Do you feel he grew out of the desire to play, or just will no longer tolerate male encounters?

This happened last April when we went away for a week. My sitter told me when we got back that Sammy was aggressive with other males dogs especially when the other dog/dogs barked at mine. When I had them out and other dog/dogs barked at them Blushie would take over and bark back at them and Sammy didn't do anything. He will no longer tolerate male dogs.

On the other hand we have a lot of male dogs in my neighbourhood. When Sammy was a puppy I took him out several times a day and he would play with all of them. When we meet those male dogs on our walks Sammy is alright and not aggressive with them at all.
 

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That confirms what I have been reading. I have also read that if they grow up with the mature male house mates that they are more likely to get along. I have also read stories of people who's puppy grow up and tried to kill their male house mates. I am have been searching for information on what ages to expect typical behaviors from a doberman. I will have to rely on others personal experience because there are no studies I can find on the subject. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Toby was around 10 months or so old when he decided he had, had enough of my big male terriers lip (he was forever growling at him and grumbling) and he turned. The result was some pretty serious bites to my Terriers back which resulted in veterinary treatment. At the time Toby wasn't neutured but that changed literally the next day in the hope it would help calm things, you know testosterone making him act all big.
My Terriers were already neutered and whilst it had calmed the smaller one down to a point it obviously hadn't made my bigger Terrier any less gobby.

I thought this spat was a one off because afterwards everything returned to normal, was normal for quite a long time.

Then it happened again, again resulting in some pretty nasty bites to his neck and back and another vet bill.

Then we returned to normal I stupidly thought they had called a truce, that the pecking order had been decided and all was okay. Then out of the blue, bham, Russell my big terrier was attacked again and this time the other dogs (I had a Boxer girlie at the time as well as Russells brother Jack) joining in. It was bedlam with blood flying everywhere, my Terrier fighting for his life, me kicking, punching, pulling the dogs apart. I honestly thought Russell was going to be killed. Luckily he wasnt, I managed to get the dogs off him and he ran off. I searched all night for him and found him the next morning in one hell of a state. Another vet bill this time a whole lot bigger than the previous two and I knew I had to do something.

I am not stupid by any means but I didnt know how to deal with this, so I turned to these guys.

They recommended either rehoming Toby (which isn't possible here due to the strict laws on ownership of a potentially dangerous dog as Dobes are known) or crate and rotate.

I now crate and rotate, IF and I stress the word if I let them out together I am on Toby like a tick. I literally am his shadow. I carry my leash at all times, I am watching him and my Terrier like a hawk on the hunt.
It really is not a fun way to live. But it is the only way for us from now on.

I seriously would not recommend anyone if the choice can be made of having more than one male in the house. For whilst I am used to a multiple male household not just with my 2 Terriers who are now 5 and were here long before Toby came on the scene but before this the truth of the matter is I have never had a dog intent on killing its housemate ever. Instead they have all backed off of really hurting each other allowing one to become the boss etc, etc. Toby doesnt seem to have the off switch when he goes at it. It is kill (or at least give it a damn good go) the other male especially if he is called Russell and be done with it.

I know some folk manage it, that their dogs live happily, but my boys tolerate each other only because I am now on their case 24/7. But I am under no disallusionment, it can and would kick off again for seemingly no reason between my boys if I take my eyes off them for one second.

I wish you all the best.
 

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I take him to the dog park regularly. My brother has an akita and once it reached 9 months he could no longer take it to the dog park. His akita forum people tell him they are not dog park dogs. As your puppies aged did their tolerance of male dogs at the park diminish? Will he still enjoy the dog park when he is grown?
If you do a search on Dobermans and dog parks you'll quickly find that most of the Dobe owners with adult dogs agree with the Akita forum people.

Dobes don't make good dog park dogs either. There are too many brain dead people with their dogs at the parks--they don't understand dog aggression signals and you run the risk of having thier dog attack your young and friendly dog (which as you've read often puts paid to any tolerance that a male may have for other males or for that matter other dogs in general).

And I'll guarantee you that if a fight ensues that even if the Doberman isn't involved, the Dobe will end up being blamed.

My best advice about Dobes and dog parks is DON'T take your dogs to them. Instead find some compatable dogs and a place where your dog can play with them under close supervision.

Dog fights can erupt and excalate so quickly that you would hardly believe it if you've never seen it.

You are basically still dealing with a puppy and puppy reactions since your dog is only a year old. Mature males are less tolerant.

And because for every rule there will be exceptions don't figure that your dog will be the exception just because that's what you'd like to happen. It's not something you can count on.
 

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Dobebug's post was excellent .... as usual :)

I will say that you never know when a male (or even female) Doberman will no longer tolerate other males. It may never happen, but chances are it will. They may do fine for several years.... until one day they just don't. Same sex aggression can also occur in bitches - just not as often. I had two Doberman bitches that lived together, but I had to be careful and did have some nasty fights. I could not have a bone or toy anyplace but in their crates - and never left them alone together for years.
 
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