[BackInBlack]

For some reason I can only figure out how to post thumbnails, sorry about that!

I can blow them up if you want???

 

[BackInBlack]

There ya go....

 

[Murreydobe]

I can blow them up if you want???

That would be good-probably a lot easier for people to do a critique if they can actually see the full sized pic right in front of them. Thanks!

 

[Murreydobe]

Here's my other Weigland photo - this one was grandma Carmen's pic

Look at that face! Wonderful expression and really, really nicely shaped dark eyes.

 

[LapDog]

BIB, I'll take a go at rommel I don't know much of anything lol. Judging from the pictures it seems his body is long...but that is probably from his young age...and still filling out..and growing in height. or maybe his chest is just not as deep causing him to appear longer. The picture of him moving is real nice I think though! and to my untrained eye I think he has a real nice face...

 

[Murreydobe]

Valkyrie

 

[BackInBlack]

BIB, I'll take a go at rommel I don't know much of anything lol. Judging from the pictures it seems his body is long...but that is probably from his young age...and still filling out..and growing in height. or maybe his chest is just not as deep causing him to appear longer. The picture of him moving is real nice I think though! and to my untrained eye I think he has a real nice face...

Yeah, I think he still has some growth in height, and I know he will fill out some as he gets older. He is 8 months now. He really does have a pretty long body though. And like Kim said, he has a very narrow face and a long nose. Thats another reason I wanted him to have longer ears. He has always had a long narrow nose. Thank you though, I think he is beautiful no matter what It's just kind of fun to have people who really know what they are looking at tell you about your dog. Good or bad

 

[LapDog]

yeah I think the long ears work wonderfully on him He has that Doberman Boy look to him

 

[Murreydobe]

Zucker, you should just go sit ring side when the dobes are showing .....there are plenty of experts there LOLOLOL

LOLOL.

But this really is the best advice for someone who really wants to learn about structure. Find a competent mentor, and sit ringside with them during the judging. It's always better to look at living dogs. And movement is the most difficult thing of all to learn..you need to look at lots and lots of dogs moving,and it helps when they're all being gaited through the same patterns.

 

[LeighaG81]

Cyrus has my heart all the way! I can't take my eyes off him, he's stunning.

 

[dobie lover]

Blackdog & Murreydobe

You both have beautiful dogs, I sure hope my little guy can turn out half as nice as them . Now I need to go get some pics of Chase.

 

[Blackdog]

LOLOL.

But this really is the best advice for someone who really wants to learn about structure. Find a competent mentor, and sit ringside with them during the judging. It's always better to look at living dogs. And movement is the most difficult thing of all to learn..you need to look at lots and lots of dogs moving,and it helps when they're all being gaited through the same patterns.

This is SO true - movement is hard to learn/see. What helped me was our club bought the videos from all the 2004 Nationals, and I sat with a knowledgeable friend and watched them in slow motion. Then I could see and understand the "throwing elbows" and all those other things that go on.

 

[TracyJo]

BD, what do you mean that Cy is a bit "lippy"?

Okay,
I noticed the standard states that dews are generally removed and that the tail is docked but natural dews and tails are not listed under disqualifications... Does that mean an all natural can be shown without being dq'd because of tails and dews?

 

[Blackdog]

BD, what do you mean that Cy is a bit "lippy"?

Okay,
I noticed the standard states that dews are generally removed and that the tail is docked but natural dews and tails are not listed under disqualifications... Does that mean an all natural can be shown without being dq'd because of tails and dews?

See the flews hanging down in the red circle? That's lippy. It's fairly typical on males. Cy's not as bad as some, but you always had to tuck his flews in when he showed.

Dews and tails aren't a dq, like natural ears aren't a dq, but it's going to have to be an almost perfect dog everywhere else to get judges not to seriously penalize the dog for it. There have been a couple natural earred dogs finish in the states, but none that I know of with tails. I don't know about dew claws.

 

[Fitzmar Dobermans]

I'll see what I can do with pictures. First is Louise at 15 months.......now she HAS a gay tail.......very typical of what her sire has produced. No dog is perfect. I'd like better markings in the chest (can't see in these pics), and pasturns with just a little less slope. Her hiney still needs some muscle but it willl come.
She has a nice head, nice arch to her neck, good topline, nice brisket, good tuck up, nice angles front and rear (not perfect). She is nice and square. Probably her most outstanding feature are her really nice cat feet. Oh, and when she is being good for her handler, she moves great.

Ok, now here she is at 12 months........yes stacking for a cupcake on her birthday. You can see that the pro does a better job and my then 9 year old daughter took the picture.

 

[TracyJo]

How do you teach them to stack? Do you bait and physically place them into it and then teach 'stay' in that position?

 

[Fitzmar Dobermans]

Now Velma......I don't have a stacked picture of her since she retired from the breed ring - too bad as she actually is better as a 3 year old than she was as a 2 year old. Velma's good points are that she has "flash" and the drive that screams "look at me", great markings, a decent rear, a decent topline. Faulty too straight front with too much space between her elbow and side, a brisket that was just shy of deep enough, and a doggy down faced head with lots of flew (I love her expressive head but it is not correct). This is the one I spayed. If she had been as good as she thought she was, she would be top 20 just on attitude alone
This picture is at 17 months - so fairly close in age to the one of Louise at 15 months. Velma is Louise's aunt - 25% of their pedigree is the same.

Here she is at about 26 months. I retired her one month later.

 

[Fitzmar Dobermans]

How do you teach them to stack? Do you bait and physically place them into it and then teach 'stay' in that position?

I start them as puppies to "stand" for their food - meals or treat. So they really learn "stand" as a command. I also start right away with teaching them to let me move their feet and put them where I want them while I hold their head (usually a fistful of flew). Then I progress to teaching "step" to correct a foot or just touching a foot with my toe to get them to move. Velma still stacks like a fool for a treat and I keep it fresh by doing it during training class when the instrutor is talking. Neither of them completely stack themselves perfect without some help but they are pretty good - Velma is better at it than Louise...........did I mention that Velma has incredible drive? Show her a piece of food, and she is falling all over herself trying to figure out what she has to do to get it...........

What it really takes is time and conditioning.

 

[gatehouse]

by Murreydobe:
"But this really is the best advice for someone who really wants to learn about structure. Find a competent mentor, and sit ringside with them during the judging. It's always better to look at living dogs. And movement is the most difficult thing of all to learn..you need to look at lots and lots of dogs moving,and it helps when they're all being gaited through the same patterns."

Key word is "competent" Personally, everyone has differing opinions on what they like or don't like, so try and get to know as many people ringside you can. My suggestion would be to Listen listen listen and hear what different people are saying.

If it's built right it will move right. All these pictures are great, but you have to remember there are plenty of dogs that stack very nicely and fall apart when they move...and a great pro-handler can hide a multitude of sins

I can't seem to post my picture. Do they need to be on the web or can they be on our computer?

 

[Zucker]

holly smokes, do I have some catching up to do in this thread!!! I'm glad it exploded like this

Gatehouse, you bet I'm comming to that show in Barrie! But that feels like weeks and weeks away!

The pics need to be on the net, you then simply post the link to the pic. You need to get your pics off your computer on the net first. There are tons of picture hosting sites out there, photobucket, etc.