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doberkim said:
first cyrus - and i adore cyrus - i think youre website has better pics of him on there, cause my favorite isnt in your gallery... or maybe i just saw it posted.

love cyrus's feet. nice and tight. good rear angulation in my book, and a pretty good topline. nice tailset. great head, lovely planes, the first pic has a lovely arch to his neck and it flows into his shoulder/back very nicely - however, not in the other two pics, where he seems sorta hunchey (but he also looks really short-backed in one of the pics too). he looks to be in better condition in the first pic, has a nice tuck up, and looks a little heavier in the other shots contributing to his hump. the only real thing that i dont like on your boy is how his chest looks in the one shot - almost bowling-ball-ish, but its not as significant in the other shots to bother me, so a lot is how he is stacked. a bit lippy, but thats how i like my dobes :) very masculine face, and you know hes all male.
Most of those pictures were in my camera, so they were us just fiddling around. I don't have any of his specials career win photos scanned (the computer with the photo editing software is dead), so I don't have anything recent. But, you're right he does have a lot of front, and he is lippy. The pictures where he looks heavier and hunchy he was on hiatus from the ring (plus it was over 100 degrees). He's so short-backed that he looked odd showing around here as a puppy. In this area most of the puppies were from a popular stud who was in Indiana at the time, and they were all long. He's also kind of a big dog, top end of standard. In the picture where he's sitting next to Dagger, you can see how much bigger he is (not that Dagger was a big dog).

I'll try and get some of the more recent ones scanned.

Here's a puppy pic - 14 weeks



and a head shot - taken at 2004 Nationals - 18 months old

 

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Murreydobe said:
To a certain degree, that's just temperament/genetics. Both of the dogs whose pics I've posted had very little actual show training at the time those pics were taken. That was the second time the red male had been stacked in his life, the first time had been about 8 months prior to that.

Dogs can certainly be trained to hold their tails and ears up, and proper paw placement to free stack..but it's just easier all the way around to find confident dogs who naturally have good body language.
I agree, and attitude goes a looonngg way in the show ring. A confident dog has a "look at me" attitude. I can't tell you how many dogs I've seen slink around the ring.
 

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doberkim said:
i still think cyrus should come live with me too.

wanna trade a young blue boy who just put a hole in my comforter while i was cleaning out his crate? :) apparently when chewing stuffies, its hard to tell the difference between stuffy and bed.
There are days I'd gladly send him to you. He can be a handful.
(although right now he's being good - he's licking a kitten's tummy)
 

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Murreydobe said:
LOL..they're both nice, Razz is considerably nicer as you can see! She's "the great black hope" around here..getting prettier all the time, and looking like she *might* wind up a special. We'll see.

Here's a head shot from 8 months:
Very pretty.
Don't just love Tom's photos? And they're so nice to deal with.
 

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Murreydobe said:
LOLOL.

But this really is the best advice for someone who really wants to learn about structure. Find a competent mentor, and sit ringside with them during the judging. It's always better to look at living dogs. And movement is the most difficult thing of all to learn..you need to look at lots and lots of dogs moving,and it helps when they're all being gaited through the same patterns.
This is SO true - movement is hard to learn/see. What helped me was our club bought the videos from all the 2004 Nationals, and I sat with a knowledgeable friend and watched them in slow motion. Then I could see and understand the "throwing elbows" and all those other things that go on.
 

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TracyJo said:
BD, what do you mean that Cy is a bit "lippy"?

Okay,
I noticed the standard states that dews are generally removed and that the tail is docked but natural dews and tails are not listed under disqualifications... Does that mean an all natural can be shown without being dq'd because of tails and dews?
See the flews hanging down in the red circle? That's lippy. It's fairly typical on males. Cy's not as bad as some, but you always had to tuck his flews in when he showed.




Dews and tails aren't a dq, like natural ears aren't a dq, but it's going to have to be an almost perfect dog everywhere else to get judges not to seriously penalize the dog for it. There have been a couple natural earred dogs finish in the states, but none that I know of with tails. I don't know about dew claws.
 
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