Dobe likes to hit and run.

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- I no longer walk all my dogs together. Short from permanently removing him from my other dogs company,...

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Hi Toby'shuman - read in another post / in Spain, its a sunny day.
In Canada, we had frost last night / sun is out...just now warm outside.

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Bully dobe Toby is winning and now starting to have you rapped around his little finger/paw...so to speak.
The human, is being conditioned by the dog to compromise...and make you his B-Atch.

Correcting your dobes bad manners, takes human leadership / and should be easy enough to correct.
- mindset #1 / owners of good dogs don't have to compromise, period
(take the "bull" by the horns approach, and attack problem head on)
- 100% outside supervision, during retraining period
- your voice & physical sternness ramps up by 50%
- dobe wears a choke chain with a 6" short leash
- watch the 2 dogs play, the absolute very first second...you can see bullying, dobe gets a harsh voice + collar jerked several times (much under a harming level)
- dog is put in a down position for 5 minutes, several feet from were the old dog is standing
- after a 5 minute down-stay, dobe is free to play again / and above procedure is repeated...until Toby gets the sparky idea...that YOU will NO longer tolerate rough-housing.
- dobe get the idea, there is a new leader in the family pack...YOU
(so be firmer, consistent, and use perfect timing to correct unwanted behavior)
No ramie dog of mine, would be hurting another and old dog
- it would quickly figure out the consequences are not as much fun, anymore
- and dog learns rules & boundaries, clearly & quickly now / from the new "leader", commanding "respect"

I have recently ramped up my Alpha role, but I hadnt extended to have to carry it on during playtime as well. I guess I thought, (don't shoot me) this was one time that I could let him be a pup and have fun. But the fun isn't fun anymore for my Boxer. Don't get me wrong, she sometimes starts the rough housing herself, but then he carries it on long after she wants to stop. (she is 9 now and not in good health).
My 2 Terriers don't play like this with him, the smallest sometimes chases round but gets quite cross if Toby gets too bullish, so for the most part they just hang out. My big Terrier is off all their christmas card lists, he is now an outsider (having been attacked by the Dobe with the others joining in). But again before the attacks he never played at fighting.
I will let you know how I get on with regards if it works for me.

By the way, he hates it if another dog does it to him, my friend has a Malinois bitch who plays hit and run with him and he hides behind me when she does it, so you would think he would learn from it, or am I thinking too linear.

This is AMY in 100% supervised play, with 2 different new dogs:
- first photo is old
- second photo is recent



This is a fully trained dobe, in the presence of a very/very sick dog...no jaw muscles flexed, by the stronger.
- old ANDY, was put down a few days later...this is Amy's last time to visit, with a dear friend & neighbor dog
(AMY mourned his death...I know, she did...she sniffed his property daily, for the following 2 weeks / searching 4 him)


This is AMY, with a little 3 legged dog (we babysit 2x/month).
- given full respect & moving friendly safe, around the much weaker dog
(even around a treat, AMY is most careful...BUT, I don't train with bribery treats...my dog gets them, for doing nothing)

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Toby'shuman said:

Can I ask, was your Dobe always like this, or did she mellow with age or did it come through training?
I really am worried for my old girl and have banned play for the moment until I feel Toby is listening to me better, trouble is I think she thinks she is in trouble, because she is trying to get him to play and I am stepping in and saying NO!

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[it's my part-time hobby business...and I am not promoting any sales here in DT land - I don't have internet traffics (aka. even Spain) and with almost 1000 posts here, under my belt...I do try my best, to freely help other dobe owners, with nagging problems / and most are easy to fix, with much dedication]

AMY was basically MENTORED by me, from 8 weeks old to 6.5 months of age.
Her training foundation was fully engrained (as a puppy) and we skipped the teenage phase...lol
She has been basically like this (as pictured above), her entire life.
It came from many hours of fun & mental stimulating play, teaching and a loving respect for her Dad (that I earned).
- she takes direction from me, always..."eye focus and verbal" listening is paramount
- I trained her to be both "humanized" and very "language intelligent" / that was always my GOAL
Ten years later, I still talk to her constantly & enjoy doing so (like a child)...she trusts & respects me, with her life.

Early pup training from 4-6.5 months old, was done on city streets, with many distractions.
This way she has to put her complete faith in me, to keep safe and happy.
Her early & daily learning curve, was like the slope of a rocket...going to the moon.

But for you, its still not to late, for your dobe to exercise good manners.
I could train your dog, if I lived in Spain, in very short order...but that is my frame of mind.
- so it starts with confidence and the handler taking immediate control, of the problem situation
Solve the today's problem, others are easier to fix...don't run away, from the challenge.
- you & your dobe, learns nothing then / so set your expectations & standard bar much higher

Focused & extensive quality time training...startes on Day#1.

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I completely agree about them needing a playmate with a similar play style!

My girls play really rough. They love to play together and I enjoy letting them so long as no one gets pissy.

Crazy play!












Having a friendly discussion about who gets the sofa...







I'll stop now. Good god I have a ton of pictures of these 2! LOL