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I just found out that you can identify if your Doberman carries the albino gene if they have a Z in their AKC number. Does anyone here have a Doberman that carries that? Is it acceptable as long as the Doberman is not Albino?
 

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What do you mean by "is it acceptable as long as it's not a doberman?"
A Z factored dog should not be bred but can be perfectly wonderful pets. The problem with albino dobes (aside from the fact that albino is not a recognized color) is that they come with a slew of health and sometimes temperment problems that are detrimental to our breed - the only way to not produce more albinos is to not breed Z factored dogs. All albinos stem from one bitch back in the mid 70's - Padula's Queen Sheba; therefore, they are relatively easy to trace and it should be easy to prevent breedings but some not so ethical people out there have jumped at the opportunity to make a few $'s by breeding and producing "the rare white doberman"
Here is a brief web page that is kind of like Albino Doberman 101: http://bakaridobes.westhost.com/publiceducation/PECAlbino.html
 

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Im asking for example Duke is a black dobe, I dont have his papers with me but I think he might be a Z factored Dobe. His mom was red, father black and no littermates where white. Im asking I guess is he ok to compete, will he suffer from those problems of the albino? but not to breed right? I am coming to find I didnt really get Duke from a good breeder. I still love him im just worried.
 

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You know, I'm not sure if a Z is a disqualification - but I'm sure someone will chime in soon that does know :)
And I don't think that a black z factored dobe would suffer the same health problems as an albino - but might have the temperment issues associated with albino - but again, I'm not completely sure. Sorry I can't be more help...
What makes you think that he might be z factored?
 

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No none of my dogs were ever Z factored, and NO I never would own or breed a Z factored dog. I will leave it at personal reasons. I do not understand why you think your dog is?
 

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You know I thought I did all my homework before buying a dog and I missed this one thing. I know for sure his father was ok but the mothers history was a bit shakey im a reviewing everything right now. The breeder was new. Either way I wont breed him, I was just curious if a Z factored dobe is not uncommon as far as a pet goes.
 

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You know I thought I did all my homework before buying a dog and I missed this one thing. I know for sure his father was ok but the mothers history was a bit shakey im a reviewing everything right now. The breeder was new. Either way I wont breed him, I was just curious if a Z factored dobe is not uncommon as far as a pet goes.
Unfortunately, I think it's pretty safe to say that if his mother is z factored, the breeder wasn't reputable - reputable breeders don't breed z factored dogs. If she was, then Duke is. That doesn't mean that he won't make a fabulous pet or that you should love him any less (not that I think you would). You're in good company here - several members here got their Dobes and then later realized that the breeders they chose were anything but reputable - several members here just went out and got a pup (my hand is raised here) and then later learned of all the work and research that goes into finding a reputable breeder. The important thing is that we learn from each other to avoid the same mistakes in the future...
I'm curious though to hear what others have to say on the health/behavior problems and whether or not they are associated with just albinos or albinos and z factored dogs as well...
 

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I'd never knowingly BUY a Z factored dog (I don't know what my rescues are) as I wouldn't want to support someone like that.

If he's Z factored, odds are you'd be wasting your money to show in conformation. I've never seen a Z dog that was anywhere near close to show quality - and yes, I've seen some in the ring. There's no reason why you couldn't compete in agility or obedience though.

I have a friend who's Z factored dog just died last week of cardio at age 5. He had health problems (liver problems, 2 torn acl's, etc) his whole life. She was a responsible owner and had him neutered. It's sad, she truly loved that dog, but bought him as a novice owner and didn't realize what was in his pedigree.

If you want to send me what you know of Duke's pedigree, I may be able to run it backwards and see where (if any) the albinos are for you.
 

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No Z factor here... Take Blackdog up on that offer if you want to know for sure.
I'll second Lexus. Blackdog has a ton of great pedigree info and can find out for you.

I've never had a z dog unless I unknowingly fostered one. I know you love your dog but if it is z factored I would spay/neuter. Do obedience/agility/rally etc.... with him, learn a ton, and love him :) Anyone who has been in this breed long enough will tell you that many of us started with a Doberman from a less than stellar breeder. My first was pure byb, but I loved that dog and fell in love with the breed.
 

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"Im asking for example Duke is a black dobe, I dont have his papers with me but I think he might be a Z factored Dobe."

What leads you to believe he's Z factored?
 

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You know, I'm not sure if a Z is a disqualification - but I'm sure someone will chime in soon that does know :)
And I don't think that a black z factored dobe would suffer the same health problems as an albino - but might have the temperment issues associated with albino - but again, I'm not completely sure.
Being a color other than black, red, blue or fawn is the disqualification. The judge doesn't see the catalog until after they're done judging for the day, so would have no way of knowing whether a normally colored dog was z factored or not.

Z factored dogs would never suffer from the effects of albinism, because they're not albinoid. But they certainly can suffer from the effects of being produced by bad breeders using extremely poor quality dogs with minimal or no health testing.
 

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I don't have any Z factored dogs here. I would never buy one either personally. But that is just my opinion. Everyone learns from there mistakes. There shouldn't be any reason why you can't do everything you wanted to with him. There are albinos that compete in agility/OB/rally.
 

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No Z factor here. A Dobe carrying the albino gene wouldn't deter me from adopting it, but I certainly wouldn't breed it. Breeders advertising over the internet call them 'ghost Dobermans'. Buyer beware...
 

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I did the same thing. I had been around many adult Dobes and knew that was the breed I wanted. I read a lot and knew that I didn't want an albino due to health and temperment problems but I missed the part about the Z in the registration number. When I received his registration was when I learned about it. Reese's mothers side is full of top quality show dogs that are very accomplished. His fathers side has 3 white dobes and all others carried the gene. I couldn't show him in confirmation if I wanted to (I don't) because I just couldn't put him through cropping his ears. I have an appointment already set up to neuter him when he is 6 months. I have no intention of breeding, Z factor or not. I am neutering due to hoping it calms him down a little (he is ALL puppy) and I want to lessen the chance of him trying to meet every female in the area. My trainer is trying with all she has to talk me out of it as she wants to show him in obdience. Am I concerned with the Z factor? Of course. His mothers side has none of the common Dobe problems but who knows what his father contributed. If I had known what the Z in his registration number meant I probably wouldn't have bought him. I can say lesson learned, I will not buy from another byb. Now that I have him I wouldn't trade him for any other dog. I will provide him with the best care I can, pray I have him for many years and enjoy him for the great Dobe he is.
 

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My trainer is trying with all she has to talk me out of it as she wants to show him in obdience.
Please explain to your trainer that you can enter an altered dog in obedience trials, rally & agility - Neutering just takes him out of the breed ring - (which incidentally, you can enter with natural ears, just not common)
 
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