So sorry for your loss. Might be heart. I have done an autopsy in the past, just so I know.
ThanksSo sorry for your loss. Might be heart. I have done an autopsy in the past, just so I know.
Thank you for your time to reply. Very bad time we all miss her in our wheel of life this morning. The boys are very restlessNIkko, so sorry for your loss.
You didn't say how old you gal was? DCM can strike very young Dobes as many accounts on DT have documented. Like Falnfenix said, as I was reading through your account, I actually started reliving the trauma from our girl's sudden demise from DCM, after barking at a possum in backyard. In our case, our girl was almost 11 y/o and already diagnosed with DCM and in CHF for 6 mos. The common symptom in both our previous Dobes demise was back leg weakness and rear collapse plus loss of bladder. Vet said this was due to inadequate blood supply from heart during cardiac events, rear legs being the being the furthest distance, so would be impacted first.
Did your girl exhibit and pre-cursers to her demise in previous weeks/months, such as reluctance to walk long distances? Our girl did but our previous vet mis-diagnosed as arthritis over a year before her passing. Final stages were signaled by coughing at night, then abdominal fluid buildup from CHF that cause sudden weight gain. All this required cardiac & diuretic meds to reduce/ control effects and help delay the inevitable.![]()
Bob, thanks for the dramatic recount, that unfortunately, many Dobe owners on this forum have experienced.Thank you for your time to reply. Very bad time we all miss her in our wheel of life this morning. The boys are very restless
A little research show dad was not tested by Kimbertal but bred a lot of litters
Mother was an run of mill on breeder loan program of thiers
Zarina as of late would got out but run to center of yard and lay down. She sometimes would exhibit a reluctance to come in promptly
Ate fine and tried to control weight which with the new boys she did reduce running with them
Now the boys cannot be together from SSA
So we were working it out with her babysitting one at a time
The major scene with the armadillo was a trigger that had her overworked and max stressed to get it. She didn’t but it caused a suspected over stress. At 3:00 am
She went down about 6:00 pm same day but did act normal and had a small aft meal
Now that I reflect her legs went and her mid section was blown up quite a bit when I wrapped her
The convulsions were not expected and rather unnerving
It went to a shallow unflavored breathing while I was right there trying to find vet help
These vets are such prima donnas that no one was available on a late Friday. Called 6
I was next to her and she went forward on her chest with front legs out
The moaning was very eerie and lasted maybe 20 times
I knew that was it and she quietly stopped living
Gods in a way as no efforts of the vets would have helped and she actually would have died in unfamiliar place with neon ceiling lights and strangers doing things
Or she would have been euthanized to stop discomfort also not goid
I love her and what hurts is I know she loved me
We have toads here that can secrete a deadly poison when attacked but no toads anywhere in her fenced yard
Acted like poison or toxin as it was so out of nowhere
Thank you
Bob
This doesn't surprise me at all. Kimbertal is to be avoided at all costs - they produce a LOT of cardio in their dogs.A little research show dad was not tested by Kimbertal but bred a lot of litters
Mother was an run of mill on breeder loan program of thiers
Thanks for your time. She was 7Bob, thanks for the dramatic recount, that unfortunately, many Dobe owners on this forum have experienced.
You still didn't say what her age/name was? Perhaps you could post some of favorite pics of your gal here?
On another topic you mentioned, have your boys had a SSA event that led to their separation? If so, maybe you could contribute to one of the (many) SSA threads here on DT with your experiences. There are still many owners out there that still don't believe SSA is an issue with Dobermans because of a few exceptions they have read about or had.
Pancreas.Thanks for your time. She was 7
I have had a couple breeders opinion might have been bloat
She way more than over did chasing the armadillo. When stomach bloats and turns it takes the pan ease with it and discharge a deadly toxin into system that stops the heart
Maybe this?
SSA was three events each very ugly
Now they are always separated
They were the best of buddies till about a year
The fights were beyond domince or Aloha stuff. It was to kill. Very scary and I’m a big guy and usually fearless
They were always happy with the older female
So the world is upside down now
Again thank you
Bob
At 27 years old, 1979, I had a 4 year old go down. It was so sudden! He was so healthy. I was sure he was poisoned. I had him necropsied, and it was a heart attack. Not as healthy as he seemed.Thank you for your time to reply. Very bad time we all miss her in our wheel of life this morning. The boys are very restless
A little research show dad was not tested by Kimbertal but bred a lot of litters
Mother was an run of mill on breeder loan program of thiers
Zarina as of late would got out but run to center of yard and lay down. She sometimes would exhibit a reluctance to come in promptly
Ate fine and tried to control weight which with the new boys she did reduce running with them
Now the boys cannot be together from SSA
So we were working it out with her babysitting one at a time
The major scene with the armadillo was a trigger that had her overworked and max stressed to get it. She didn’t but it caused a suspected over stress. At 3:00 am
She went down about 6:00 pm same day but did act normal and had a small aft meal
Now that I reflect her legs went and her mid section was blown up quite a bit when I wrapped her
The convulsions were not expected and rather unnerving
It went to a shallow unflavored breathing while I was right there trying to find vet help
These vets are such prima donnas that no one was available on a late Friday. Called 6
I was next to her and she went forward on her chest with front legs out
The moaning was very eerie and lasted maybe 20 times
I knew that was it and she quietly stopped living
Gods in a way as no efforts of the vets would have helped and she actually would have died in unfamiliar place with neon ceiling lights and strangers doing things
Or she would have been euthanized to stop discomfort also not goid
I love her and what hurts is I know she loved me
We have toads here that can secrete a deadly poison when attacked but no toads anywhere in her fenced yard
Acted like poison or toxin as it was so out of nowhere
Thank you
Bob
We are so sorry for your loss. we would love a picture. Run free sweet girl.
Really bafflingI am sorry for your loss. So unexpected.. I don't think it was bloat.
so scary to go forward with replacementsAt 27 years old, 1979, I had a 4 year old go down. It was so sudden! He was so healthy. I was sure he was poisoned. I had him necropsied, and it was a heart attack. Not as healthy as he seemed.
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Really baffling
The speed it happens was along the lines of toxic or poison or DCM heart type of quick reaction
so scary to go forward with replacements
How can enjoy with time Bombs just waiting no matter what we do
I have two young females from the best pedigrees in Europe now under training and to earn a title before coming home. They are 11 months
DNA perfect both sides and long history of perfect health
So now how to I get my confidence back?
I have really lost it by standing there not able to help in any way
Her journey ended a great life together and what hurts the most is I know she loved me for 7 years
Do I start again?
I do have the two boys now at 1.4 years and finished in CDC and CDCA. But scared by this
I cannot do anymore than DNA and halter ekg
But still keeps an uncertain feeling now
I feel this deeply. And I'll be honest...I took a step back from the breed entirely. I still have regrets about the dog currently in my house, but she's a mix of two moderately healthy breeds, neither of which have cardio...and I have some confidence that otherwise she's healthy. It's nice not to worry every day that I'm going to wake up to a dead dog in my living room.so scary to go forward with replacements
How can enjoy with time Bombs just waiting no matter what we do
So now how to I get my confidence back?
I have really lost it by standing there not able to help in any way
Her journey ended a great life together and what hurts the most is I know she loved me for 7 years
Do I start again?