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Hi,

I have a 7 month old male Doberman Pinscher puppy (black) and he recently developed some sort of rash on his back, I've taken him to the vet and they gave me an oat meal shampoo, 3 days later it got a little worse, they have prescribed some tablets (steroid) and an injection, and the spots, rash, hair loss, puss is now all over his body and face after this medicaion.

i took him to a vet specialized in skin disorder and he said that my puppy has Demodicosis, he is now on antibiotics and a special shampoo for treatment of this disease and another liquid that is toxic and i have to wear protection before i put it on his skin. i was also told that it may take a few years to recover completely and in some cases the dog can die.

I am really worried and I dont want my Damian to die :( I was wondering if someone could help me with advice on feeding, medication etc. any advice would help.

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I'm so sorry about your Damian :( I hope someone can help you with boosting his immune system.
 

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People here would recognize it as Demodex Mange - it is treatable, and I'm assuming the liquid you are putting on it is what we would refer to as a "demodex dip"

Usually a puppy's immune system will improve with age, but in the meantime, there might be some things you can do to help.

What are you feeding? This could be a contributing factor to skin issues, so it might not hurt to see if you can improve on what he is eating.
 
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Hi, Thank you for the reply, here in Dubai we don't have much, the best food here is Royal Canin, Eukanuba etc, I feed my Rottweiler and Doberman royal Canin and I put some extra virgin olive oil on it, I started to feed them one tin of sardines each per day. sometimes I give them chicken breast. the water they drink is Nestle water I stopped giving them tap water. is this enough? are there any supplements i can give them to boost thier immune system and theyre overall health?

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He is still so playful, very naughty and full of energy, it does not seem to affect him but sometimes it is itchy and i can see that it annoys him. he has his own room outside the house, its a 4x4 meter room and amount 2 meter high, he's got his own brand new carrier 2 ton Ac, a door with a lock, window with a grill for sunlight, i make sure he has so many toys which he destroys, a bed which is completely destroyed now, and he always has fresh water and his bowl is cleaned everyday. I take really good care of him, recently i've been a little busy so i cant take him for long walks but i try to walk him a few times a week for 20 minutes around my neighbourhood. he has a huge garden and back yeard to paly around all day, the summer here is really hot, it reaches up to 52 degrees on a bad day in july but his ac is working fine and he goes into his room whenever he wants to.
 

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I am curious about how long this took to go from a little rash and hair loss to what is now all over? Could you post pictures?
 

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not long, it was a small patch on his back just below his neck and after the injection and pills they gave him the first time it took not more than 2-3 days to spread all over his body. i am at work now but once i get home i will post pictures.

thank you so much :)
 

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I dealt with this with my Shelbi. Make sure the dip you are using has the ingredient Amitraz in it. The antibiotic is for staff infection, but this is only a secondary infection caused by the demodex, and the itching that takes place. It has nothing to do with what you are feeding or the area that your dog is in. You should always feed the best that you can, and always keep their area clean, I do not want you to think that you are the cause.

This is a juvenile non-contagious mange that is actual acquired by all pups when coming through the birthing canal it will appear in some and not in others from the same litter, but it can also appear as late in life as 2 yrs old.

It took me six months to get Shelbi cleared, has your vet told you to administer ivermectrin(sp?) orally in a clear liquid measured form. According to the two vets that assisted in my Shelbi's recovery a steroid will actually thrown it into overdrive, this was not administered to her for this reason.

Shelbi's regiment was as follows:
Ivermectrin daily in a weight appropriate dose orally
Amitraz dip with no other bathing for 30 days
then a 2nd dip no other bathing for 30 days
, and antibiotics for the secondary staff infection.
The amitraz could not be used until the staff was under control.

I will worn you he may look very much worse before he looks better. He must be treated until two scrapings produce no evidence of the mange. This process took 6 months for me, and I was very diligent with medication and care. I would also like to add that usually they do not die from demodex they have to be put down because the itch becomes so intense it will cause them to go mad, and they become a danger to theirself and others. I know several people that have successfully treated for this issue, but I also know one person that was not able to treat successfully, this was a Yellow Labradore and it did result in having to be put down.

Talk to your vet and inquire about the usage of these medicines, they may not want to use this for treatment, but I will assure you that this took care of my dog's problem.

I am sorry you are having this issue and I will be checking back for updates I am positive you will get him well, but it is a long road I know first hand.:nicejob:
 

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This may be a stupid question,
But if the liquid you're putting on to treat the mange causes you have to wear protection, wouldn't that be dangerous for the rest of the house? If your dog is coated in a toxic substance (which I'm assuming is absorbed through the skin), wouldn't anything or anyone who comes into contact with them be at risk for contamination?
Also what would happen if the dog ingests this liquid?

Just curious mind you, I have no vet experience.
 

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The liquid is a pesticide and in full potency, but then is diluted to apply as a dip. Gloves are necessary for contact in full potency, but once diluted and applied it is not a harm to humans, I did not use gloves and yep I am still kickin' and have all my original parts.

Would I drink it "NO", but then again I would not drink peroxide or rubbing alcohol either. I did use it on Shelbi two times and she has been demodex free for about one yr now.
 

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The food you are feeding sounds fine - I realize that the very high quality kibbles are often not available in other parts of the world. I would look to see if you can find one that is corn and wheat free - those ingredients do seem to sometimes have a detrimental effect on coats due to allergies.

Do the two dogs stay together? It seems that some of the destruction tendencies are probably due to age, but could also very well be due to boredom. I do understand that different cultures do not keep house dogs... and while I personally don't agree with that, I do feel that you are trying to make his life as good as possible without bringing him into your home. If you cannot make time for him every day, would it be possible to hire someone to take him for walks? He really needs that interaction.

You got some very good information from another poster that has been in the same situation with the mange - I hope it helps. I'd still like to see pictures if possible.
 

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The sardines are very good to build up the skin health. Don't give both olive oil and sardines as the different omegas compete for takeup in the body. You could give extra virgin coconut oil and sardines. Also, try to only give sardines packed in water as they have the lowest salt content. Drain and rinse twice to remove as much salt as possible. I would only give a whole tin, 4 3/8 ounces(124g) for a month because of the salt, then reduce to half a tin a day or every other day. You have to moniter his water intake to see if it is too much salt and adjust by that. I cant now as on phone, but will post article about how good sardines are with proper dosage later for you. Does your vet specialist use ivermectin for the demodex? I wouldnt bath in oatmeal shampoo in case he is allergic to that grain.
 

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Also, try to only give sardines packed in water as they have the lowest salt content. Drain and rinse twice to remove as much salt as possible. I would only give a whole tin, 4 3/8 ounces(124g) for a month because of the salt, then reduce to half a tin a day or every other day. You have to moniter his water intake to see if it is too much salt and adjust by that.
Sorry for the derailment, but where in the heck is this salt phobia coming from? According to what I have read, it is almost impossible that a dog will have an issue with salt intake. If there is so much salt that the food is deemed inedible, the dog won't eat it. If there is so much salt that the dog horks it up, the salt is expelled. Too little salt will get a dog in trouble, metabolically... in the real world, too much is not an issue.
 

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not long, it was a small patch on his back just below his neck and after the injection and pills they gave him the first time it took not more than 2-3 days to spread all over his body. i am at work now but once i get home i will post pictures.

thank you so much :)
I have very minimal experience with mange, so maybe I'm off base, but I am astonished at the speed with which this developed and spread. Maybe mange can be this fast, but I have (in my limited experience) never seen it. This sounds a whole lot more like it could be a serious infection (staph, whatever), with a bit of mange. Your description of pus all over the body, too, just sounds like most of what you are seeing is infection other than mange. As I said, I could be wrong.

I am wondering if it is safe to use the dip with this much broken skin area, or whether it might not be wise to get the infection under control and the skin healed from that, and then address the mange.
 

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Hi Guys,

sorry I just got laid off so things have been really messed up lately. ok so i got the medicines here, Aludex 50 g/l, Malaseb shampoo and Rilexine 600 Palatable.

He is looking a little thin or maybe its my imagination because im worried about him but i weighed him at the vet and he is 29 kgs at 7 months, i think its okay no?

trying to post pictures but its not working, im gonna try to do it tonight.

thank you all for your help. :)
 

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Not familiar at all with any of those medicines. That is nothing I was given to treat my Shelbi. Is he any better with the medicines? I saw the You tube video, are you trying to sell him still.
Jeri
 
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