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What is the result for you doberman's DCM Mutation test ?

  • Positive Homozygous (+/+)

    Votes: 4 4.4%
  • Positive Heterozygous (+/-)

    Votes: 24 27%
  • Negative (-/-)

    Votes: 62 69%

DCM Mutation Test Results - Dr Meurs WSU

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#1 ·
So I've just received AXL's results and he tested Positive Heterozygous.

This is what the results document looks like :

EVALUATION FOR THE CANINE DILATED CARDIOMYOPATHY MUTATION

Dilated Cardiomyopathy Mutation (DCM) is a form of heart disease in the Doberman Pinscher dog. It is inherited and our laboratory has identified a mutation responsible for the gene in some Doberman Pinscher. However, it should be noted that in human beings with the same disease, there are many different genetic mutations which can cause this disease. We do not yet know if this is the only mutation in the Doberman Pinscher or if there will be many different mutations. Please keep in mind that we are continually learning about this disease and recommendations will be altered as we obtain more information.

Currently our interpretation of the test is:
Negative results:
The absence of the mutation in this dog, DOES NOT mean that it will never develop the disease. It means that it does not have the only known mutation that can cause the disease in the dog at this time.
Positive Results:
Dogs that are positive for the test will not necessarily develop significant heart disease and die from the disease. Some dogs will develop a very mild form of the disease and will live quite comfortably, some may need treatment.
Importantly, breeding decisions should be made carefully. At this time we have do not yet know what percentage of Doberman Pinscher will be positive for the mutation. However, removal of a significant number of dogs from the breeding population could be very bad for the Doberman Pinscher breed. Remember that dogs that carry this mutation also carry other important good genes that we do not want to lose from the breed.

Positive Heterozygous (1 copy of the mutated gene and 1 copy of a normal gene) Dogs that are positive heterozygous should be carefully evaluated for signs of disease (Holter monitor and an echocardiogram). If abnormalities are detected, possible treatment options should be discussed with your veterinarian. Adult dogs that do not show signs of disease and that have other positive attributes could be bred to mutation negative dogs. Puppies may be screened for the mutation and over a few generations, mutation negative puppies may be selected to replace the mutation positive parent and gradually decrease the number of mutation positive dogs in the population.
Positive Homozygous (2 copies of the mutated gene). We recommend not breeding the homozygous dogs. Dogs that are homozygous for the mutation appear to have more significant disease and will certainly pass on the mutation.

Date: -----
Owner Name: -----
Dog ID: -----
AKC Number: -----

Test result for the DNA submitted for the above dog is: Positive Het
Result Based on the following sample(s) submitted for this dog: 1 Blood Sample

Kathryn M. Meurs, DVM, PhD (meurs@vetmed.wsu.edu)
Professor, Richard L. Ott Chair of Small Animal Medicine and Research
Washington State University- College of Veterinary Medicine
 
#4 ·
Thank you.
Initially, I wasn't sure I wanted to share the results, but after 10 days of waiting for them, I had decided that it would probably help me cope with the results (whatever they were - I wasnt expecting a -/- ), share next steps and participate in a discussion where we are all concerned about the welfare of our dogs. And you know what, sharing the result is not going to change anything to Axl's present & future health, there is no guarantee he will or will not develop DCM, wheter the results are -/-, +/- or +/+.

All it does is help me start a conversation to head in the right direction of being proactive. I have to admit I had never considered doing regular holters on him unless a vet would have told me to, a couple of years down the road. So this test changed my perspective on DCM and hopefully this thread, among others, will help me be proactive about my dog's health.
 
#10 ·
I plan to test all my dogs. When I do i will pst the results.
 
#11 ·
Sam&macksmom & Andrea
Thank you for the suggestions, I have looked at Alba and they sell in new for 1500 or refurbished at 500. I have started looking into it, but will definitely do more research over the next couple of weeks and have discussions with my partner for next steps and if we choose to rent or buy.
 
#13 · (Edited)
#15 ·
You should see if you have a Doberman Club in your area. In my neck of the woods, they will rent out a monitor for a reasonable price.

Thanks for posting your results. I am curious to see how the poll goes. I'm sure there will be many +/-
 
#17 ·
Thank you both for posting your results! I think it would be helpful if we could also post the following info:

Age
Sex
Diagnosed with DCM - yes/no
If yes, age at diagnosis
Holter/ Echo? If yes, results
If yes, cardiologist's name (or GP, or internist)
If yes, list of meds (if any) that the doc prescribed
Diet and supplement info (non-prescribed) if you want
Source of dog - and by that I mean is it Euro or American lines, or unknown rescue/BYB

Some people will be testing dead dogs. If they are also inclined to share results, add to the above age at death and cause of death - whether known or suspected. If DCM, a little about timeline/ progression of disease, and meds.

It looks like Axl is 1.5 years, so he probably has not had a Holter or echo yet. Freddie is 9 years? Has Freddie ever had those tests?

For anyone getting a +/- or a +/+ result whose dog is over 3 years, getting a Holter and echo is probably a good idea. In fact I'd Holter/ echo a 2 year old dog that tests +/+...

Darcy's blood samples went out via Fedex today. I'll post when I get the results.

Thanks again for sharing, guys.
 
#21 ·
"Freddie is 9 years? Has Freddie ever had those tests?"

That's right, as DreamValley said, Freddie is 7 months old. My other dog, a pit/mastif rescue is nine. Freddie has had no testing yet but plan to do it when she is two.

Freddie is Euro from some of the top used show lines in Europe. There are both long lived and dogs that died young in her pedigree. Looks like the mutation is going to be very wide spread indeed. This could mean breeding this mutation out of the breed could be huge for our dogs. It may not be the whole answer but maybe a big part of the puzzle.

Like you, I hope more people post the results including pedigree. This is where I believe the non-breeding pet owners participation could be hugely valuable in getting an accurate picture of how pervasive this mutation really is. Unfortunately, some (not all) breeders are not going to want to share their results or try to muddy the waters with statements that the testing isn't accurate, ect.

As for the testing not being accurate, I don't believe that will fly. Yes, there will be a tiny number of errors by the lab but probable a few more by dog owners when testing more then one dog. Other then that, it is what it is folks. Freddie's blood was drawn by her vet, and the vet wrote her registered name on the vile. No mistakes.
 
#23 ·
Admin, can you make the poll results available for people who has not voted yet?
Otherwise the count for "I don't intend to test" will be too high.

Also, it would be nice if you change mandatory selection (radio) to optional (checkbox) for those who tests more than one dog.
 
#35 ·
Negative!

Received Wheeler's DCM results today.

Date: 10/22/2010
Owner Name: R.A. "Shelly" Wing and Lynne Coleman
Dog ID: 33
Dog’s Name: Lyndobe's Wheel of Fortune
Date of Birth: November 13, 2008
Sire: CAN CH Wraith's Soldier of Fortune
Dam: CAN/U-GRCH.Lyndobe's Five Alarm Charm, Am./Can.CD,CGC,TDI,WAC,ROMC
AKC Number: WS28380903

Test result for the DNA submitted for the above dog is: Negative

The rest of his testing will be completed after his 2nd Birthday, next month.
 
#39 ·
Received Wheeler's DCM results today.

Date: 10/22/2010
Owner Name: R.A. "Shelly" Wing and Lynne Coleman
Dog ID: 33
Dog’s Name: Lyndobe's Wheel of Fortune
Date of Birth: November 13, 2008
Sire: CAN CH Wraith's Soldier of Fortune
Dam: CAN/U-GRCH.Lyndobe's Five Alarm Charm, Am./Can.CD,CGC,TDI,WAC,ROMC
AKC Number: WS28380903

Test result for the DNA submitted for the above dog is: Negative

The rest of his testing will be completed after his 2nd Birthday, next month.
Thats Wonderful ! Congrats! You must be thrilled I know I would be ;-)
 
#73 ·
I also saw on another list that someone got thier results back on their "Eddie" daughter and she is a negitive! so Eddie will be either a negitive or a +/- no way he can be a positive. And that wonderful for all the people that have Eddie kids out there ;-)
Thanks for posting this. My Bella is an "Eddie" granddaughter (her sire is Ch. Cambria's Rascal Flatts). I am crossing my fingers that this bodes well for her.