I'm dobebug, the one who owns 4x4 (John) dogs, grandsire. He's fawn and at 13 does have a full coat.I have an 8 week Fawn puppy whose skin is dry and flaky, and it looks like his hair is thinning. The vet recommended fish oil, but it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Can someone give me some advice to help my poor guy?
Yes, stress dandruff is common in puppies and in older dogs who haven't been well socialized. Demodectic mange is also a possibility--and it's been suggested that if your vet hasn't done a skin scrape looking for demodex mites that he do so.If you have an 8 week old puppy I would assume/hope that you just got him. He's probably a bit stressed still missing his momma and littermates. When dogs are stressed their skin can become flakey and puppies tend to get a bit of the D. Mange. You'll notice the increase in dandruff as you take him to new places. Did you have him tested for worms? I've noticed, in rescue, that the puppies with worms tend to have a lesser coat and tend to be flakier.
I'd look at his food--it may not be appropriate for him at his age (8 weeks) if you could tell us what he is eating we could probably suggest something that might be a better choice.I would get him on a fish based higher end dog food, start adding fish oil as you've been doing. Give him a bath with baby shampoo. Find a sensitive skin conditioner and add some coconut oil into it. Warm the conditioner in warm water, shake it up and then use it after shampooing. There's also a listerine, water and I think the third ingredient is vinegar solution that can be used for dilutes and/or skin/coat issues but I'm not sure what the percentages are of each.
Weird, even my breeders both suggest baby shampoo because it's made for sensitive skin, as you mentioned though something for sensitive skin is what's needed.Yes, stress dandruff is common in puppies and in older dogs who haven't been well socialized. Demodectic mange is also a possibility--and it's been suggested that if your vet hasn't done a skin scrape looking for demodex mites that he do so.
I'd look at his food--it may not be appropriate for him at his age (8 weeks) if you could tell us what he is eating we could probably suggest something that might be a better choice.
Gretchen--I don't use and don't recommend baby shampoo--mostly because all of it seems to be perfumed and that can be irritating to dog skin--I'd get a recommendation on a very mild shampoo from my vet and use that. I only use conditioner on my dilute dog and I use one manufactured by the same outfit that makes the shampoo. You want a kind that is either leave on or rinse off. On the dilute dog I thin the conditioner down to about 1 part conditioner to 20 to 25 parts of water and after the dog is bathed I spray the diluted conditioner on him and let him shake it off--wipe him dry with a towel (don't rub--and never use a hair drier to dry a dog with a dilute coat).
After the dog is bathed and you are rinsing him (before you spray on the conditioner) rinse him--rinse him longer than you think you need to. The vinegar that Gretchen talks about is used as a final rinse--I use about one cup of ordinary white vinegar to a gallon of water (cool water) and rinse one more time with that (yes, he'll smell like a salad until he dries but it's very good for the skin and for getting rid of any residual shampoo that may be still there. THEN while he's still wet I spray the coat with the diluted conditioner--I don't add anything to it--particularly things like coconut oil--dogs skin isn't much like human skin and my experience says that adding things like coconut oil to the skin surface just tends to attract dirt.
The Listerine and water is usually used as a quick bath to remove "doggy odor" without giving a bath. I don't use this at all because Listerine has such a high percentage of alcohol it can be very drying to the dogs skin and coat.
All dogs are somewhat different though and your puppy may need different products in terms of food, shampoos etc. What I think is more important is to figure out what his correct age is so you can be treating whatever conditions exist correctly.
Again, good luck...
Yeah, I know a lot of breeders too that swear by baby shampoo--but I still see enough puppies that react to it that I don't use it on my dogs--you can smell the perfume in the stuff when you pour it into your hand,. And really, the vet dermatologists will tell you that human skin and dog skin are sufficiently different that you can't always get good result using products for one group on the other.Weird, even my breeders both suggest baby shampoo because it's made for sensitive skin, as you mentioned though something for sensitive skin is what's needed.
My friend has owned many dilutes and SWEARS by that water, listerine formula. I just spoke to her and it's 2/3 water to 1/3 NAME BRAND Listerine. She stressed the name brand part.
YES!...Now, we MUST have photos of puppies! It’s a necessity. A requirement. A great forum yearning!!! >
Please be very careful adding any oil to a puppy diet. It wouldn’t take much to cause problems ranging from malabsorption of nutrients to diarrhea. Discussion with a veterinarian who specializes in nutrition would be best before supplements are added for any puppy.
Also, any food change and the deworming protocol can take several months to affect a coat change. It’s very likely that your puppy was nutritionally deprived if he had a big worm load at 8 weeks. For several reasons. A breeder who was not properly worming the puppies was likely also not providing optimum nutrition. I hope you’ll stay on a regular vet visit schedule and keep checking to make sure all forms of worms are eliminated in a safe timely way. PLEEEEEASE don’t make worming decisions without a veterinarian’s advice for such a young puppy!
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I would love to post some, if I knew how!! LolYES!...Now, we MUST have photos of puppies! It’s a necessity. A requirement. A great forum yearning!!! /images/DobermanTalk_2016/smilies/tango_face_devil.png
I hadn't posted much on this thread because I don't know a whole lot about CDA and proper nutrition and we have some real knowledgeable folks here who do.
But I DO know about staring at puppy pictures and drooling.
So how's about some??
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