I just gave my puppy deposit to Cara dobermans out of ny. I have done some reading on here and other places, and Ray seems to have a good reputation. I have dealt only with his secretary at this point, but have good feelings about my dealings with them so far. I don't plan to get my pup for a while, so I plan to set up some sort of visit to his place sometime this summer. Any additional thoughts on Ray or his operation? I plan on this dog strictly being a family pet, and don't plan on showing or anything.