Spend a few hours in a high kill shelter and you'll find the main difference between a BYB and a decent breeder.
A pup from a reputable breeder is less likely to end up in a shelter. It has happened before, but normally it is a breach of contract with the breeder.What does that have anything to do with where the pup was bought?
Don't you think that starts with how its produced?I know this may get a little crazy...... I am in love with all dobermans, and I know every member of DT is as well. What I don't understand is all this hostility towards BYB's and so called "reputable" breeders. Not everyone wants to show their dobie, so I guess I don't see the problem with buying a doberman from a BYB. As long as some research is done, and the breeder raises the pups properly, what's the big deal? Health testing!!!??? If you have a history of cancer or heart disease, does that mean you are unfit to have children? I just think people tend to go a bit over board with all the pedigree, bloodline, and health testing talk sometimes. Isn't it about giving your dobie the best life possible?
Actually put it into perspective...... I appreciate the constructive insight. Thinking about it now, you are absolutely right. I would be downright heartbroken if anything unnecessary happened to my boy.....Don't you think that starts with how its produced?
You can't compare having children with producing puppies. You're not having children to sell them to someone else. We don't have children "lemon laws" where parents may be held responsible for the defects bred into them - we do have them in some states for puppies. There is a lot that breeders can do to avoid certain problems in puppies -- shouldn't they HAVE to do that? You'd probably think it was a big deal if your puppy had a problem that the breeder could have done something about. Until you do, it's just not real to you.
Vegas isn't from a reputable breeder either, and she's certainly not show quality, but we love her more than we EVER thought we could. She's perfect, and she's the reason I'll have this breed for the rest of my life. But I'm scared to death that because her breeder didn't test Vegas' parents, she won't be here for very long, and honestly? I'm mad about that. I'm mad that the breeder just wanted our money, and didn't do their best to make the puppies as healthy as possible. I'm mad that we didn't sign a contract, and that Vegas' littermates could be sitting in kill shelters or tied up in back yards because they didn't require anything from their homes. How on earth wouldn't that matter?I love my dobie, even if he may not be show quality
Plenty.What does that have anything to do with where the pup was bought?
Actually, here are couples that go to genetic counselors for this reason exactly and yes, some times people choose not to have a kid because they don't want to produce a child that will eventually have to deal with a bad trauma. If I had a history of a disease like that in my family I personally would not reproduce.If you have a history of heart disease, does that mean you shouldn't have children?
I know this may get a little crazy...... I am in love with all dobermans, and I know every member of DT is as well. What I don't understand is all this hostility towards BYB's and so called "reputable" breeders. Not everyone wants to show their dobie, so I guess I don't see the problem with buying a doberman from a BYB. As long as some research is done, and the breeder raises the pups properly, what's the big deal? Health testing!!!??? If you have a history of cancer or heart disease, does that mean you are unfit to have children? I just think people tend to go a bit over board with all the pedigree, bloodline, and health testing talk sometimes. Isn't it about giving your dobie the best life possible?
True dat.But you will not get too many people here, or on any dog enthusiast site to say it's ok to support a byb.
Yes.If you have a history of heart disease, does that mean you shouldn't have children?
that story made me cry...... I feel terrible...Actually, here are couples that go to genetic counselors for this reason exactly and yes, some times people choose not to have a kid because they don't want to produce a child that will eventually have to deal with a bad trauma. If I had a history of a disease like that in my family I personally would not reproduce.
That being said, people are a little different as an adult person can take care of themselves, animals cannot. Now, if you love all dobermans why would you want puppies coming into this world with a higher risk of suffering terribly? I think there's a thread on here about someone's dog who has DCM at two. TWO?! That's ridiculous! No, not all health problems can be avoided by even the best breeders, but most of them can.
I'm sure what I'm saying has all been said and this next part too... but you should volunteer at a shelter for a while. Find some time, please, and read this story... His name is Sam.