Australian working dobe bloodlines

I've just spoken to Paul from Von Roth and am calling him back tonight when I can ask more indepth questions (gah..mobiles!). I also spoke to Tony from Von Liston yesterday...but the sire I like of his (Heatbreaker) is probably out of my league financially.

Other breeders I'm interested in are Von Forrell and Aeon ...and there was another one up in NSW that caught my eye a few months ago that I have to find again.

The thing I'm discovering is that health testing seems to be very ad hoc and selective...going more on knowledge of the lines and experience in the breed....and some of the linebreeding is a bit tighter than I currently feel confident with....but that could be highlighting my lack of knowledge/understanding of the science of it...or maybe not. I need to do a lot of research and reading!

Thanks for the link to Swan valley B...I will check it out!

Cardio seems to be the lurking evil in a lot of the lines I like and I want to avoid that at all costs if I can...but CAH is also obviously one of my stay well clear of issues too and I'm getting the feeling that it's not much tested for over here. Even when the bloodlines to pedigree databases...there's often not much info on how the dog died, which makes it hard to build up a picture of which lines are going to give me the best chance of doging those bullets.

This search is going to take ages! ...but it's also providing me a good dobermann flavoured distraction. It feels better knowing that there will be a dobe in my future (and that I'm actively working on it)...even if it's a long way off, rather than focussing on there not being a dobe here now. ...It's a bit like having a "virtual" dobe :lol:

This is Diablo....who I'm currently researching as a candidate/possibility....
Von Roth Dobermanns: Hundesport Diablo

and just because I think he's gorgeous...and if I won tattslotto I could be very tempted....scroll down for Heartbreaker...
Von Liston Dobermanns - Melbourne Australia - for security and companionship

If anyone has any knowledge of other breeders that are using Heartbreaker I'd be really interested to find out more....maybe I should plan a trip to Europe...it might cost about the same as the AI breeding over here.

*sigh* I haven't even started looking at maternal lines yet and the enormity of this task is starting to dawn on me.

So glad I found this thread. Australdi, I'm looking for a working dobe myself - one that will have the brains and substance for dog sports and am struggling to decide on a breeder. The thing is, I currently own a doberman cross, and I guess I would consider him perfect because he excels in obedience, tracking, agility and protection work, but he's also my pet and I guess I wouldn't be happy without the working ability or the companionship. For this reason, I thought Aeon Dobermanns looked good, because after speaking to her, you can tell that she's someone who values both the relationship she has with the dogs, and the fact that they're not labradors, they are dobermans and can do their original jobs. I'm wondering if perhaps the other doberman breeder you spoke to in NSW was ValleyGem? They use Von Roth's Diablo as a stud. Spoke to her too and she is lovely - she's also an ex police dog trainer so really knows her stuff. They're not having any puppies for the moment though because she's in the process of downsizing to import more European dogs.

I don't know, I'm really looking for the balanced all-round dog - intelligent, confident, good looking, protective, strong work ethics, large, loving and affectionate with his people etc etc and I've been looking for years lol.

Von Roth has a litter at the moment, but the dogs are on the smaller side. They're within standard, and very compact, stocky (powerful) dogs but I guess when you read about the dogs at Valleygem 50-60kg males that are still very agile and live to their teens, well, I guess I'm more interested in them. At Von Roth, the dog is also the half sister of the bitch and whilst I'm not totally anti-line breeding, I also prefer more balanced and varied personalities.

We have 2 dogs in our sports club, both from similar lines but one that is much more linebred than the others. He is probably the better sporting dog, but you'd need a 2nd dog if you wanted a pet (which the guy has). I am willing to sacrifice some working ability for better pet personality - we take our dog everywhere with us and would like to the same with the next one.

Have you decided on a breeder yet? At this stage I'm seriously considering Valleygem and Aeon Dobermanns.

Valley Gem's claim to breeding such big (oversize) dogs put me off BIG TIME! IMHO this sort of breeding is detrimental to the breed and I will not support it.

I still haven't spoken with Aeon...as I'd prefer a Victorian breeder if I find what I'm looking for, just because it's closer and the breeders can be more involved down the track...however I'm not ruling out Aeon yet either as I have knowledgable dog friends in WA as well as Jess "the wonder vet" who has just moved there. ...so I can have people I trust see/check out the pups first hand if I decided to go that way. (The distance and transport though isn't ideal as I would prefer closer)

I am currently leaning towards Von Roth as after having a lengthy phone call with him, felt comfortable in continuing dialogue and will visit them some time in Jan to continue my research and feeling out if it will be a suitable match. I'm considering his two new girls two years down the track as possibilities...but it's a very open ball game at the moment. I have also been a little curious about Kaiela lines (which tend more to showlines than working euro...but are having sucess in tracking and lots of longevity). I don't fear linebreeding when someone really knows what they are doing, as it provides some stability of prediction of what the dog is likely to be like (phenotypically)...and that's the sort of information I am looking for. It used to be quite possible to get a well balanced dobe who made both great companion and sound working temperment...and it is actively what I am searching for again. (one of the reasons I'm liking the sound of the weyermhule lines)

Where are you located? I'm happy to share my research with you once I get it organised

I still have tonnes of research to do before I'm ready to make a decision though.

Yeah lots of breeders/doberman enthusiasts I have spoken to have had good things to say about Paul and Von Roth. My attraction to ValleyGem came from the fact that on the phone, Cheryl is so obviously passionate about her dogs and has trained so many police and working dogs in her time. Her dogs seem to live for a long time, and were capable of competing in all the sports so I haven't ruled them out just yet. She and Paul (Von Roth) are quite close anyway, and a lot of her dogs have his bloodlines incorporated. I'm going to catch up with ValleyGem over the xmas break though, so I'll have a better idea then.

I agree, the dog with a higher inbreeding coefficient is the superior working dog in our club. Both dogs (GSD's) have an amazing dog in their lines, just in one, he features much more heavily and you can see it. The other breeder used more mixed lines, and it's arguable now that his dogs lack some work ethic - or desire to work. Because the dog won't just be a working dog though, I don't want a dog that is too close a copy to a top working dog - I just really want intelligence and balance, with some good drives and substance to play with.

I am based in South Australia and would love to know how you go with your research. I would particularly love to know what you think of Aeon Dobermanns. I've resigned myself to the fact that I will likely have to import a new doberman and for Adelaide, I guess we're kind of in the middle of everything without being close to anything lol.

Rosamburg said:

People are still doing Sch. It is amazing how much damage a couple of ignoranus' can do, however.

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let me put it this way then...no one can legally do schtz in Victoria...Under the previous law, there was a prosecution...the guy got off on the 'technicality' that the dog was being trained to bite a sleeve, not a person....so the @%#$#$'s amended the law to include "a dog trained to bite any item held or worn by a person"...yes it technically means that playing tug is illegal :rolleyesww: It's a travesty of a law...utterly ridiculous...but it exists and I'm sure there's some rightous do-gooders just itching to test it out with another prosecution. :screama: (this is the same state that has brought in BSL against any canine that remotely resembles a bully...otherwise known as the "nanny" state)

Unless you're aware of it being recinded? I haven't found any information to that effect.

There are "rumours" that rag training goes on in private paddocks out in the bush...as well as e-collar training (which is also illegal)... of course I know nothing of these, nor ever will whilst the law remains as it is. I do not intend to be involved in any test cases. Even if I did see them...I wouldn't know how to recognise it as I am a natural blonde who can be a bit 'clueless'

** just to clarify...I'm a Victorian...who happens to be in Tasmania for part of the year...but I spend part of the year in Victoria too, and have not relequished my residency in that state yet.