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Working on staying at source actually backfired a bit with Lily. She was SO sticky that taking her off the hide was not only difficult, it was a type of punishment.
I have learned from Michelle Pouliott (Karen Pryor Clicker Expo trainer) that ending any highly rewarded behavior (as well as ending training sessions) can be very punishing. I cringe at all the handlers who don’t party after their dog finds the last hide and just end a session by standing there talking to the teacher or hustling off to the car while the dog deflates. “What? WAIT!! I was working for food! What the heck just happened? What did I do wrong?” I’ve observed that this is an especially big deal and knows work and I think it’s because the dogs get so intensely involved because they are using a primary sense. That makes it doubly punishing when you quit gratuitously.

This punishment transfers backwards to what just happened before it. That’s why I party and feed all the way to my car. If I’m talking to the teacher in a class at the end of my turn, I’m feeding my dog as my primary job. Just observe at a trial how many dogs show great disappointment at the end of searching when no party is started.

When you teach staying at source, you build duration AND a break out, just like any other behavior. The release gets paid too. And the cue to “find more” becomes a reward. It’s just like training other behavior, there is nothing different just because a dog is following his nose, although some teachers would have you believe it’s magic stuff. >:)
 

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So, I am going to post these videos here for a critique. Feel free to comment. I know what I think about them, and I know what the TA for the class I'm taking thinks about them. :)

For more information, it was 91 F, humidity was 62%, and the heat index was 103 F. Winds were variable, changing from west (at our back at the start line) to east (coming at us at the start line), to sometimes from the south (our right at the start line) and gusting upwards of 15 MPH. (In other words, a fairly typical summer day here in SETX.)

Since we were in our fully fenced back yard, we were searching off lead. The target odor was clove. The hot container had been cooking for at least an hour and a half by the time we ran this search, and this search set-up had sat for at least five minutes before we ran it.

Lily ran first.


Leo went second today.

 

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Hoping this is OK .........I begin scent class in September so I am just reading at this point.......so by my third chapter I have read of the importance of "Looking for a behavior change" .........so just for fun may we try to point out what we viewed as the behavior change within Rosemary's videos.......just for fun for us newbies ? Is this OK Ms. Rosemary?.......


For fun I just started reading the entire nosework thread over the weekend.......so interesting...........watching everyone go through there early stages of nose work training ..........I kept reading over and over......what did I learn today......TRUST MY DOGS NOSE !!!

Fun fun......love this stuff........
 

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Hoping this is OK .........I begin scent class in September so I am just reading at this point.......so by my third chapter I have read of the importance of "Looking for a behavior change" .........so just for fun may we try to point out what we viewed as the behavior change within Rosemary's videos.......just for fun for us newbies ? Is this OK Ms. Rosemary?.......


For fun I just started reading the entire nosework thread over the weekend.......so interesting...........watching everyone go through there early stages of nose work training ..........I kept reading over and over......what did I learn today......TRUST MY DOGS NOSE !!!

Fun fun......love this stuff........
I posted these for a critique. Go for it.
 

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Lilly ...touches find with her nose...........and then in a second step with encouragement from handler..... goes into a front end down.

Leo.....Leo huver's over the find....... while keeping a eye on handler .....and then automatically downs once he knows he has your attention or approval for his find.

So handler Rosemary .....using the same video's ....what was your first sign from each dog.......because that's the correct answer.>:)......what did you see each dog do that was a sign they were on target for electing the correct object?
 

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I'm going to wait and see what other people think before I answer, LadyDi.
 
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Oh, wow, there was a live video of Penny Scott-Fox (one of the AKC contractors) and her NSDTR Blaze running a Detective Class search on the Friends of AKC Scent Work yesterday. It was aMAZing. Huge search area, indoors and out, and I swear, the final hide was in the ceiling, a good ten or more feet up. If my dogs and I ever reach 1/100th of being this good, I'll be thrilled.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/AKCScentWork/permalink/2393188204251611/
 

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1. Rosemary does beautiful handling and allows Lily to work at the start line. Lily stares straight back, she is clearly working odor at the start line. She looks up at Rosemary as a check in when released, then makes an almost straight line back to source. I would guess her very brief head check at non source items is some pooling odor from the wind but she clearly knows that and does not stop on her bee line to source. She keeps her nose at source until the marker word YES, which ends the behavior and only then does she turn to Rosemary. Rosemary feeds for position at source. Beautiful! As perfect as it gets.
 

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1. Rosemary does beautiful handling and allows Lily to work at the start line. Lily stares straight back, she is clearly working odor at the start line. She looks up at Rosemary as a check in when released, then makes an almost straight line back to source. I would guess her very brief head check at non source items is some pooling odor from the wind but she clearly knows that and does not stop on her bee line to source. She keeps her nose at source until the marker word YES, which ends the behavior and only then does she turn to Rosemary. Rosemary feeds for position at source. Beautiful! As perfect as it gets.
Lily was on odor from the moment we walked out the door, thanks to the wind shifting. She wanted to head straight for it, which is why I was having to convince her to go to the start line. She briefly checks a few containers on the way out, because of the way the wind has been shifting, there are traces of odor everywhere. At 0:22, she shoves her nose into the container with the scent vessel. She freezes momentarily, and her ears pop up, which is a pretty sure sign that she is at source. I mark, and move in to reward her. Once I've marked the find, I don't particularly concern myself if she's come off the hide after the mark, but I do reward as close to source as possible. I'm also seeing if just giving her the "all done" cue (or "find another" if doing a multiple hide search) without touching her collar to remove her is the better option (it looks like it might be).

Leo is.... well, Leo. What can I say? She's fluffy.... She has the wind at her back coming to the start line. She gets distracted by something at 0:12 (the only surprise about that is that it was the only time during three searches). I somewhat miraculously managed to not call her back, but wait and see what she did. By 0:19, she has come back on her own, and is working again without any further cue, and I manage to get out of her way and let her search. She catches the scent where it has caught on the black bag, and knows it's close. At 0:24, she sticks her nose into the hot container, much like Lily did. Since this was a confidence building search, I didn't wait for her usual final indication on containers, which is a down, but instead mark the find and reward her. If this had been a blind search, I probably would have waited for the down.
 
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After a correct behavior is marked, in this case, nose at source, it doesn’t matter at all that she stops the behavior. I think of it like this: You are looking for your friend’s missing keys. You find them under a u,low on the couch and hold them up. Your friend says, “YES! THANK YOU!” You don’t keep looking for keys. When behavior is marked in any training, that ends the behavior. This was such a pretty search!

And I loved seeing Leo come right back to the search and nail it! It’s always so interesting to search off leash. Thanks for posting these.
 

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Extremely windy day. Tons of people and activities at an outdoor wedding right next to us. You can see that the watchdog is at work as well as the nosework dog. This is common for Boon, and a lot of Dobermans I’ve watched. They don’t go off duty just because they are at a trial.

We’ve had a lot of trouble since the beginning of nosework blowing by threshold hides and then I have to make sure we get back and cover threshold. That’s very inefficient in giant search areas. I’ve been setting up threshold exercises I learned at a seminar where working teams got advice on the team’s most challenging problem.

In this search, Boon still blew past the threshold hide, but he noted it, did not charge out of that area to the bigger search area, and came back to the threshold hide WITHOUT me prompting him. His old pattern was to blow into the search at high speed right past threshold hides and keep charging forward.

I’m also working on NO FEET on ground level inaccessible hides, so you see me feeding super fast. This is really paying off reducing Boon’s tendency, for some reason, to switch from nose target to paw activity at ground level hides.

Critique/comments welcome on any of my videos.

 
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