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HI there! I have a female Dobe along with a boxer mix and an aussie (and 3 cats) and everyone gets along fabulously! Of course, alot is to be said for socialization and training. I don't have much knowledge in Schutzhund, however it is my understanding that right now dobes are the underdog for such competition, as far as popularity is concerned. But these dogs are absolutely capable of competing successfully!!!!! Best of luck!!! As far as breeders are concerned, I know that infodog.com has some information as well as Doberman Pincher Club of America for breeders. My girl came from House of Hoytt and I couldn't be happier with her!!
 

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Doberadmin said:
Great information Lexus - thank you very much.

I would consider a Pup from Hoytt but I have made a decision that I will no longer buy Doberman puppies instead I am only going to resce Dobermans. That is how I got my current girl I rescued her from a chan and a pole on the side of some persons house, cruel bastards. I know puppies will always sell but not may people want a adult Doberman. :(

Thanks again for the info and I suppose if I ever wanted a true "SHOW" dog I know where to go.

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KUDOS to you!!! I love to hear from people that feel that way!!! My girl was a girft from my dad, I didn't know that I was getting her until after the mom was bred, of course I love her dearly now! 2 of my three cats were rescues, and one of my other dogs was (the other is a boxer mix that my hubby got from a neighbor or something when his kids were little about 7 years ago, not really a rescue situation, but at least the girl came to a good home). We are moving to a bigger house in a year or so and I plan to do some dobe fostering then. Ultimetely I would like to house a small rescue and adoption program, but finances permitting, I will have to settle with helping those poor animals by fostering a couple as soon as I am in a larger location.

Don't you wish just for one day, we could put those jerks in the same situation as the animals they abuse and neglect. I get so angry. :mad:

Once again thank God for people like you...
 

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LCGSDmama said:
Hey now.. I kinda feel like I need to explain why I'm looking for a breeder and not rescuing.

1st) I already have two pups(they can be 10yrs old, and I will still call them pups) 1 male 1 female. I tried to rescue a male longcoat GSD, and they said no.. since I realdy had two pups and what have you. I really tried! I even had members from other Rescues backing me up, they still said NO... But yet, I could foster...??? I didnt understand that one!

2nd) I think, since I want a male, I should have a puppy, and let him grow up in the household, that way there wont be any problmes with my male(look at my avatar). Granted, my Malachi does like all dogs. I just dont want any probs.

3rd) I'm not saying that I cant rescue a "working" doberman, but I want a working lines Doberman, so that I can work him in Schutzhund, french ring sport, or PSA.

So please dont hate me for going with a breeder....

Ohhhh, I'm so sorry if it made you feel funny... I didn't mean that at all!!!!! Please don't feel offended or anything! We didn't mean it like that at all.

Since I have had lexy since she was a pup, and I want to get into showing, she will be my "show" dog, like what you are looking for. You can't rescue dobie after dobie looking specifically for the right temperment and abilities for what you want to do, I fully understand why you need a pup from the right lines, and for the compatablity reasons , I would do the exact same thing in your position. So please, I totally understand and agree you know what you need and are going about it the right way looking for a reputable breeder.

With fostering, you take in a dog from a rescue or humane society that has been deemed adoptable to get it in a better environment ( a home environment) as opposed to the kennel cage. It makes the animal happier, makes room for the kennel to take in more animals,it a win win situation for all. Plus the dog can get some one on one attention for training too, making it more adoptable.

By the way what is French ring sport?

Take care! :)
 

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Why do you consider the "guarentee" laughable? I'd like to consider myself to have "an ounce of common sense" and I don't see it as laughable? Can't say that if something went wrong with my girl I'd send her back (I wouldn't) however that option is there anyway.

And dobermans are Mr. Hoytt's livelyhood, considering that I've seen his facilites first hand, the animals are loved, treated very well, their training methods are fantastic, all dobes and pups get one on one attention and are socialized. I don't see this is such a bad thing, considering how many bad people there are out there doing it and breeding animals that shouldn't be bred, etc. At least this is someone that takes care of the animals.

And there are dogs bred for what the people want to do with them, for example if LCGDmama wants a dog for competing in Shutzhund (mind you I admit fully I don't know a lot about schutzhund) however, I would assume that this would require an animal that is outgoing and whatever else. Hoytt has been doing this long enough that he is able to pick such an animal out for her. Rather than having someone else or herself guess that a pup will be made for her competitions. He doesn't have pups on hand all the time either, there isn't always a bred female at hand, whatever people may think. It may take a while before the right match has been made for parents.

A final thought is that many dobes from many breeders go (very unfortunately) through humane societies and rescues. As far as temperment, how much of that is a result of the owners? People get frustrated if a pup chews stuff (could be any dog, not just a hoytt dog) potties in the house too much, unfortunetely some people don't understand patience, the dog get thrown on their cage all the time, maybe they end up not having time for it, it gets thrown on a chain in the back yard, maybe their animal is higher energy and needs exercise and isn't getting it, it gets frustrated and causes problems for it's owner. Wasn't socialized enough, etc, we all know that sadly the list goes on and on for why any animal's temper can go sour.






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I hope you will reconsider that thought.

The House of Hoytt is a commercial kennel, breeding dogs for profit not to improve the breed.

Although they are active in some obedience activities, they are not bettering the breed conformationally or adhering to the breed standard. They purposely breed oversized Dobermans to fill orders - that's not helping the breed.

Barrie Hoytt has admitted on a large public Doberman newsgroup that they breed for money. That's not the type of breeder I'd want to support. I'd want to support one that adheres to the breed standard.

In short, the dogs are not bred to the standard. There is little health testing done - look for Hoytt Dobermans in the OFA database or the CERF database, for example. Not a lot of recent results considering the amount of dogs they breed. Additionally, do your homework and contact Tennessee Doberman rescue organizations (and some of the others around the country for that matter) - there are plenty of Hoytt Dobermans that have come through rescue organizations and they can tell you their observations about health and temperament.

The "guarantee" that the kennel offers is just laughable if anyone with an ounce of common sense cares to scrutinize it.

You can do so much better than that.

I will once again recommend that anyone interested in a Doberman puppy would do well to spend some time on this resource
http://members.execulink.com/~korevaar/buyingguide.htm
 

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The video purpose I do happen to know personally from Mr. hoytt, is to promote and ensure to him from a visual standpoint that the dog is being kept at optimum health, (weight coat condition all purely visual points) It is also more proof than a followup phone call that the dog is being cared for. As for the spay neuter against Mr. Hoytt's suggestions for age, that is his belief and as he mentions the VIN also beleives. Now personally I was a vet tech for years and years, and it was the belief of my vet then to spay before the first heat. Neuter at 6 months etc. Now I can accept that Mr. Hoytts beliefs for this are to his experience and those are his beliefs. No one has to agree to it unless they are participating in the garentee. We are talking a matter of three to four weeks for "before fist heat" or as he requests to keep the warantee "after first heat". Not that much time has to pass to keep the garentee valid.

As for the fact that this is his livelyhood and that disgusts you. Of course I can fully accept your opinion and how it makes you feel. I do realize however, there will be people that do this as a livelyhood no matter what. At least this breeder takes care of his animals, unlike many.

You mentioned that the bitch of the hoytt breeding won, that doesn't mean that Mr. hoytt or his trainer personally trained it. They offer training. Many people don't take it, I didn't, my dad didn't. The "look" you discribe could have easily come from her owners/handers. Also even if the training did come from Mr. hoytt's facilities, a dog is not a computer, you don't train it and it has it forever, the new handlers could have easily had a rough training program that made it that way. I have personaly seen many many hoytt dogs on the premises work and they are as happy perky and attentive as anyone could ask for. "It is also essential that the dog demonstrate willingness and enjoyment while it is working and that a smooth and natural handler be given precedence over a handler moving with military precision and using harsh commands. " quoted from AKC, so it must not have been to beaten down looking....

While Mr. Hoytt does screen to the best of his abilities, that doesn't mean that every dog will work out for every person. Imagine if he didn't screen to get the best match for a person/dog. Fact is people can be fickle, their situations can change, etc... A custom fit dog is provided to try and insure that new relationship will be a lifelong one, as the person will receive the exact dog they are looking for, protection level, size, energy level, (laid back, raring to go , etc)



As for the woman with "keeper" I did see that segment also. However, I am the first person to say with conviction, DON'T JUDGE WHAT YOU DON"T KNOW FOR YOURSELF AS FACT. I felt bad for her, however, I don't know for a fact all the facts to the situation. I don't know for a fact what was relayed to Mr. Hoytt about this, I don't know for a fact the "behavior" the dog was subject too or what may have been done to correct it well before hand.

I do know for a fact that Mr. Hoytt cares about his animals, the training they receive at the facilities is first rate reward and love system, that every dog I have seen there had a wonderful tempertment and were very socialized to all, I am a proud owner of a Hoytt dog that is TDI and CGC certified, who loves kids, cats, car rides, people, and has a very good head on her shoulders.

You are entitled to any opinion you have and it is no skin off my back. I have been in the horse show world for 10 years, and am now entering into the dog world (as far as showing and etc, I've always had rescued dog and cats) and I fully expected and understand that there are people that have differences in choice. It's exactly the same with horses.

LCGSDmama was looking for advice, I personally know that I was very Happy with Hoytt, and told her so from my first hand experience with them. If you aren't then you aren't, she is simply looking in to her options.
 
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