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My Dobe has bitten my duchhound so badly that he died. My Dobe was 7 months old. He has started growling and wanting to bite everyone on our hiking route this weekend and has started going for my kids.

He even bit my daughter that there was bite marks but no blood and no provocation.

I dont know what to do... do I euthanize him or what should I do? We love him so much but I am so scared he bites my kids.
 

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I think the first thing you do get some professional help. The best would be veterinarian who has also trained as a behavior specialist. Ask your local vet clinic if there is such a person in or near your location. Sometimes very good trainers will come and are qualified enough to make suggestion about the behavior and why it is happening.

I don't know the circumstances under which your Dobe puppy bit your dachshundt so badly it died--because of the disparity of sizes a puppy Doberman cant quit accedently kill a smaller dog and a lot of dachsies are quite capable of being aggressive enough to get a fight going which, with a Dobe, even a puppy they are going to lose.

And what kind of relationship has your puppy had with the kids in the past and what are the ages of the kids?

Barking and growling in a puppy at 7 months if often a warn off--they are afraid rather than aggressive but the end result can be bites and Dobe bites can be serious.

I'm sure some of our other regular contributors to these forums will have some more suggestions for you but that's kind of what I would do as a beginning step. And I would not let him play with the kids nor would I let the kids play with him until you have at least figured out why he has started growling. Growling is a warning and whatever is going on when it starts should stop immediately.

Good luck with this--somethings can be handled and unfortunately some things can not--but I wouldn't recommend euthanasia as a first step. I'd want a lot more help from a professional first and I'd make the kids and dogs off limits to each other as a first step there and I wouldn't take him hiking--particularly if he's reacting to other dogs but even if it isn't other dogs--he may need a lot more socialization if the growling is because he's in a full blown fear period. I think he's around the right age for one of the later fear periods.

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Hi Gini. Welcome from the Pacific NW.

I am very familiar with raising kids and Dobermans together. In fact, my grandsons (2 and 5 years old) were born into Doberman households (mine and my son's) and are currently helping raise their 9 month old puppy. So their pup is the same age as your guy.

I would be pretty concerned, given the way you describe your situation. Not so much about the incident with your dachshund. As dobebug said... A simple admonishment, which would serve as a warning to a sibling or a similar sized dog, to a smaller aggressive dog, could easily result in maiming or even death. It happens.

But with him biting the children, you are going to have to keep him either separated or tethered until you can figure out what's going on. Some young Dobermans around this age, experience behaviors that are commonly lumped together as a secondary "fear stage". When it is fairly benign, with positive conditioning, they can pass through it fairly quickly. With other dogs, there can be a much more pronounced effect and should probably be dealt with professionally. If your dog is going through a fear stage, given what you have related, he would fall into the second category. Unfortunately, there are also some dogs who cannot be brought around and must either live in a very restricted environment or be euthanized.

So, I guess I am just reiterating what dobebug wrote. But it reflects my experience and I agree.

Please let us know what happens

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Get him to a vet first, to rule out medical issues. Get a Muzzle (one that is bite proof but allows him to drink) and keep it on him when he isn't crated. Feed in the crate. Find a behaviorist. Do NOT allow him to interact with strangers or your children right now. No trainer will be able to help you with this online - you NEED someone in person.
 

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Good post falnfenix.
At this moment prevention is key to prevent further injury to others or your dog.
As owners we must be in control of our dogs at all times especially if we sense problems with our pups.
So avoid the hiking trails.
Do your homework and find professional help ASAP and after their assessment you will have a better idea of what to do.
 

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When was he introduced and how was he introduced to your kids?

Its not play rough housing and biting correct? My two dobes got into serious but playful biting matches a lot. I only intervened when one got carried away.

Ive played so hard with them i myself got nipped on the nose and bled too but it was my fault getting very aggressive with them and their reaction is very quick with sharp teeth.

Not saying you were rough housing but regular play turns into serious okay quickly. Has to be corrected immediately.
 

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There is an issue going on here, be it your Dobie did not get the socializing/training needed, medical, or several other possibilities you will need to get the proper help to find & correct.

7 months tells me it's not an aggressive dog but unsure of himself/untrustung thus fear reacting, this breed requires a lot both in mental & physical stimulation. As above you need to rewind back to keeping on leash/tethering with the proper precautions such as a muzzle.

Without knowing his history it's impossible to say, if after you consult and figure the issue(s) and if your not able to deal I would encourage re-homing or surrendering him.

Based on rescuing/fostering many dogs, the bulk with biting history I can tell you never have our rescue group ever had one euthanized. A 7 month puppy still is considered quite the open book, it is very likely he can become a very sweet/loving dog. They are natural protectors, you don't need to ever worry that too much socializing and he'll be too soft to be a guard dog.
 

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A 7 month old puppy can absolutely be genetically aggressive. It is unfortunate and sad, but it's not always "how we raise them."

It's impossible for someone over the internet to assess your situation. You have my absolute sympathy, because living with a dog that has killed your other dog and is biting your children in a way to cause you fear and anxiety is a terrible place to be in. I hope that are you are able to bring in an outside expert if that's what you'd like to do.

In the meantime, if I were in your shoes, I would employ some safety measures, like a basket muzzle.
 

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As many have said we can't really give advice over the internet. We don't know your experience and all puppies bite. Did your trainer work with you to teach him bite inhibition? My dobe killed my yorkie. I know it wasn't on purpose because she loved him but a correction from a big dog can kill a small dog and that's exactly what happened. They should NEVER be left alone together.

My questions would be what advice did your breeder give you?

Did you do any health testing to rule out medical concerns?

From your very small post it sounds like you've never owned a doberman so I assume you're seeing a trainer, to help you and your family learn how to train a working protection breed, what has the trainer said when witnessing the behavior?

Btw, if there were no bite marks then he didn't actually bite your daughter. When a doberman bites with the intention to harm, there will be bite marks and you will be in the hospital. Crap, my dog leaves bite marks on my hands just grabbing for bait in the ring lol. If that is your definition of a bite then it could be that your dog is just a puppy, which it is, and is just puppy biting.

I would encourage you to reach out to a rescue, tell them the entire truth and see if they can rehabilitate him.
 

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Hi

My Dobe has bitten my duchhound so badly that he died. My Dobe was 7 months old. He has started growling and wanting to bite everyone on our hiking route this weekend and has started going for my kids.

He even bit my daughter that there was bite marks but no blood and no provocation.

I dont know what to do... do I euthanize him or what should I do? We love him so much but I am so scared he bites my kids.
Hi Gini so sorry to hear that. I would take the pup to the vet for a full physical first. Years ago I had a Springer Spaniel who attacked a couple of times and would growl while laying down. This was very out of character for him. After a full work up he was borderline hypo thyroid I put him on armor thyroid and it never happened again. You have to take it a step at a time to rule things out. As mentioned by others it could be fear. Good luck with him !
 
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