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My 6 mos puppy has recently gone through a bit of a mess and I hope this is the last of it.

About 5 days ago he was in very bad stomach distress and couldn't keep anything down. After a visit to the E-Vet and some x-rays showing a clear gut we went home with anti-nausea meds. and instructions on a bland diet.

His meals consist of 2 cups rice, half a sweet potato, 1 chicken breast, about 1/2 cup chopped carrots, 1/2 cup pureed green beans and peas per meal with 1000mg fish oil pill 2x daily.

His stomach issues disappeared and he has for the first time in 3mos has solid stools and absolutely no gas(it was horrible and non-stop). I had tried changing his diet 2days before the episode. He had only small amounts of the new food before the episode.

So stomach issues resolved... 3 days ago he had cramping in his right front leg in the am which he worked out and then cramping in the right rear leg in the evening which he also worked out.

2 days ago he had such bad cramping in the rear that he would not get off the floor and then when helped up he would cry and then stand there.. I was able to get him to move around and it seemed to help but then he started cramping again and couldn't lay down. I did a telephone consult with the vet and was told to give 50mg rimadyl 2x daily to help with inflammation and pain.

He was much better yesterday and quite full of it, but today he is laying on his blankets whimpering in pain again. He had his rimadyl about an hour ago..

My questions to you all are:

Can he be missing something in his diet that is causing this? (Diet listed above; has eaten this for 5 days)

Are there any treatments to help muscle cramping?

Has anyone had this happen to their pups (he is 6mos old)?

Do you think it could be pano even though it doesn't seem to be joint pain and there is no swelling and he is quite thin from the new diet and stomach problems?

Please help!

I hate seeing him in pain like this..
 

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Is this diet plan every day, long term? If so, did the vet advise it or how did you find it?

Are you sure it is cramping vs pain? The only time I've had a dog have severe leg cramping the vet prescribed Potassium and a change in diet to add more carbs for energy. I was following the BARF diet and hunting my Vizsla for long hours in a day (my ex was anyway and let her overdo it without giving supps).
 

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One very common cause of muscle cramps is dehydration. That wouldn't be unusual to see after a long bout of vomiting. Is he drinking normally? You might want to give him some pedialyte and see if that helps.
He is drinking normal, though not quite as often just because he isn't up running around, however he played a lot yesterday so I may try it anyways since it wouldn't really hurt anything. Thank you!
 

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Is this diet plan every day, long term? If so, did the vet advise it or how did you find it?

Are you sure it is cramping vs pain? The only time I've had a dog have severe leg cramping the vet prescribed Potassium and a change in diet to add more carbs for energy. I was following the BARF diet and hunting my Vizsla for long hours in a day (my ex was anyway and let her overdo it without giving supps).
It was a recommended bland diet that was approved by vet and not to be used for long term but since he is getting rimadyl I was told to keep him on it to protect his stomach.

It definitely seems to be cramping because you can see the muscles flex and when he moves it seems to help. Also it hurts more when you rub the muscle or apply pressure.
 

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Was any bloodwork done on this puppy?

Why did your vet choose Rimadyl as the NSAID of choice, for a Doberman?
 
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poor boy.

did he have any injections of any medications when he was at the E- Vet's?

Hugz to your boy.
 

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Poor Ludic! I sure hope he is feeling better soon. Have you tried some pedialyte? Since this episode more or less followed a training session I would suspect dehydration too. If you are concerned with Pano I would put a call in to Cindy R and ask for a vet recommendation. I am very partial to Dr. Blake Herrington at Valley Hospital. He is a GREAT vet with plenty of Dobe experience. In fact his primary Tech has a seven month old female. He even did my pdk4 blood draws for free since they were for research.
 

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I would suspect an electrolyte imbalance more than dehydration, and I am not sure supplying random minerals like potassium or Pedialyte would not risk throwing whatever is out of whack further out of whack without knowing what is and isn't low. I would be wanting an electrolyte panel run on this pup NOW, and I am surprised that this was not the first suggestion of the vet, as well.
 

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I would suspect an electrolyte imbalance more than dehydration, and I am not sure supplying random minerals like potassium or Pedialyte would not risk throwing whatever is out of whack further out of whack without knowing what is and isn't low. I would be wanting an electrolyte panel run on this pup NOW, and I am surprised that this was not the first suggestion of the vet, as well.
I agree 100% and if my post wasn't clear, I didn't mean to just try Potassium but ask the vet about it!
 

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After Ludic's stomach issues, I discussed the details of what was going on to my vet over the phone since I had no car to take him into the vet.

I took Ludic to the vet last night and he is having issues with his hips, we are waiting on xrays to get emailed over before a further diagnosis is made.

The cramping was caused from the pain and him trembling and tightening up.

Rimadyl is given in small doses to at first and slowly adjusted to what he does best with. I know dobermans have problems with it and my vet knows this as well however they thought it was best for the situation. He is doing fine on it and only gets 50mg 1xday(half of what his weight recommends).

We still are unsure of the cause of his hip pain and looseness and may not know until next Tuesday. I cant think of a time that he had slipped or fell or pulled anything before his symptoms arrived. I hoping that it is just severe inflammation and that with rest and meds he will be ok soon. He feels much better with the rimadyl.

Its nerve racking waiting for the xrays...
 

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Having been though a hip issue recently, I can tell you its best to high tail it straight to an ortho. Our 8 month old was misdiagnosed as having a knee ligament problem, when it was actually a hip. The wasted time cost her the head of her femur, her freedom for several months, and us about 3 grand.

Your pup, like mine, still has open growth plates complete with blood supply. Had we waited much longer for a proper diagnosis she could have lost the leg due to necrosis to the bone.

I don't mean to scare you, just share my experience. In hindsight I wish I had been screaming for an ortho referral from the first day. A general vet, even the best, isn't a specialist.
 

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Are you sure it is cramping vs pain?
My first thought, also. Given his age, and the switching of legs that are "cramping"...I wondered about pano. Can you feel a charlie horse in the muscles, is that why you say it is cramping? Pediolyte can't hurt him, that's for sure...and charlie horses come from dehydration....I'm curious tho....is it truly a cramp? Pano is VERY painful, and may explain why he's fine one day, not so fine the next...and the switching out of legs that hurt.
 

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I hope he's feeling better today. Seems like they so often are ill/injured around the holidays, huh?

I just wanted to second the recommendation for an ortho referral, and also reiterate that there are so many good NSAIDs on the market nowadays--I'd personally be wanting some feedback from my vet on the reasoning behind that choice.
 

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Now that the inflammation is down and Ludic has been on crate rest the vet determined today that it is Pano. Adjusting his diet and hopefully all will be well. He is feeling much better and is only sore on the right hind. For the most part he is back to himself now. We will cut the rimadyl to see how he does and hopefully this will be his only episode. Thanks again for all the support.
 
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