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So when Risa & I entered our first show the other week, I made my first attempt to groom her. She got a bath, and then I trimmed the hair in her ears using an elctric trimmer. I also trimmed around the outside edge of the ear where hair was sticking out. I used the timmer to cut the whiskers on her muzzle. Using scissors, I cut some of the longer hairs that were on the back of her legs and along the flank area. I read that somtimes people trim around the feet. Looked for extra long hairs sticking out, but I really didn't see anything that could be trimmed on her feet. Didn't see long hairs on her front legs either. Is there something else I should be doing? It all seemed so simple... just a few things to cut. It feels as if I'm missing something here. Any suggestions/comments on how to groom a Dobe for conformation showing would be greatly appreciated!

Also, when people show a dog frequently, do they always give their dog a bath for each show? It seems that it would not be good for their fur/skin to be getting baths every other week or so.



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I do ears, whiskers, tail, skirting, backs of hind legs, belly, backs of pasterns, neck and I only bathe when needed...other than that I give a "dry" bath wiping down very thoroughly with a damp towel.

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I do ears, whiskers, tail, skirting, backs of hind legs, belly, backs of pasterns, neck and I only bathe when needed...other than that I give a "dry" bath wiping down very thoroughly with a damp towel.
Oh, Yes, I forgot... I did do the tail. I also trimmed around her cowlicks... like on her chest. I didn't find any longer hairs on the back of her pasterns. Maybe because she's still a puppy and more can still grow? What is "skirting" ?? I did trim an area but can't quite describe it. It's not really the belly.. It's kind of like the "topline"... but it's the bottom... the outline along her stomach, flanks, etc. Glad to see that I don't have to give her a full bath every time. She's probably happy too!



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There really isn't any long hair on the back of the pasterns, but it makes a razor crisp line if you just swipe up the back of them with your clippers. And the skirting is the skin that is stretched between her thigh and their sides, on either side of the belly.

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what about the nails? our experience on showing is the shorter the better.
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what about the nails? our experience on showing is the shorter the better.
Yep, the shorter the better!



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? about shaving

Do you shave the whiskers off? And also the eye whiskers? Glad I found this link I didnt know a doberman had anything to shave!!
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I've been a groomer for 15 years, when I have to bath a short coated dog frequently I use HyLyt Shampoo. It is soap free and works great!
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Personally I don't like giving baths the night before the show, it dries out the coat too much and then the dogs get all dandery and flakey when they get to the show. So if I'm showing on a weekend, IF I am going to bathe, I'll bathe on the Tuesday or Wednesday. If they get a little dirty I might wash their legs the night before.

As far as trimming feet, sometimes I clip off the hair at the back of the pastern (the wrist). I also use the trimmer to 'tone down' any really hairy cowlicks the dog might have (sides of neck, etc).

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Yep, the shorter the better!
It's funny, I'm so used to getting Dobe nails SO short. When I got involved in Italian Greyhounds, I did the same thing. People are always shocked at how short my IGs nails are! LOL

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Also, when people show a dog frequently, do they always give their dog a bath for each show? It seems that it would not be good for their fur/skin to be getting baths every other week or so.
This may be a bit of a tangent but ever since I got Ziggy (about 6 months ago) I've been trying all sorts of sprays and wipes to see if anything can substitute for a bath. Baths make him look so nice - but like you said, it's probably not good for the skin to do it too often. He seems to have really sensitive skin and will flake even if I don't bathe him often.

Lately I've tried some new things. I made a spray with diluted apple cider vinegar (Bragg's brand, the organic kind with "the mother," not the regular kind at the grocery store). I wet him down pretty good with the apple cider vinegar spray, then gently work it in with a rubber curry-type brush. Very soft little nubs, very gentle brushing. I let that dry for 20 or 30 minutes then spray him with Cherry Knoll Coat Dressing. I work in the Cherry Knoll coat dressing with the Chris Christensen "Finishing and Polishing" brush. That brush has VERY soft bristles, you can hardly call it a brush at all. What it does it just bring up the natural oils of the skin. It doesn't irritate Ziggy at all.

So, the apple cider vinegar spray seems to help banish "doggie odor" and the Cherry Knoll Coat Dressing almost gives him a "just-bathed" shine. It's the closest combo I've found to be almost as good as a bath. It might be a good alternative to bathing before a show because it doesn't make him flake at all. But I'm going to keep experimenting because I take Ziggy in public ALL the time and I want him to look and smell good.

If he starts to look flakey I also use a spray called Eqyss Premiere Rehydrant Spray. It's marketed for horses but seems to helps Ziggy's flakes.

I've also made my own holistic version of "satin balls" and give him a little every night, about 1/4 of a pound and that seems to also be keeping the flakes away and putting weight on him too! I can't believe it. I made it with ground chuck, steamed yams, raw wheat germ, unsulphered molasses, steel cut oats soaked overnight in goat kefir (you could use milk), organic coconut oil (Nutiva brand), and Knox unflavored gelatin - then I add in fish oil and Bragg's organic apple cider vinegar before I serve it. He LOVES it! In just one week his skin and coat look better.


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This may be a bit of a tangent but ever since I got Ziggy (about 6 months ago) I've been trying all sorts of sprays and wipes to see if anything can substitute for a bath. Baths make him look so nice - but like you said, it's probably not good for the skin to do it too often. He seems to have really sensitive skin and will flake even if I don't bathe him often.

Lately I've tried some new things. I made a spray with diluted apple cider vinegar (Bragg's brand, the organic kind with "the mother," not the regular kind at the grocery store). I wet him down pretty good with the apple cider vinegar spray, then gently work it in with a rubber curry-type brush. Very soft little nubs, very gentle brushing. I let that dry for 20 or 30 minutes then spray him with Cherry Knoll Coat Dressing. I work in the Cherry Knoll coat dressing with the Chris Christensen "Finishing and Polishing" brush. That brush has VERY soft bristles, you can hardly call it a brush at all. What it does it just bring up the natural oils of the skin. It doesn't irritate Ziggy at all.
Hi - speaking of home-made spray formulas... I literally just mixed one up for the first time a few minutes ago. My breeder shared the following recipe with me - the recipe was developed by Dr. Merry Fitzgerald. (I hope it's OK to post this here! I think it has been posted on other forums as well.) I haven't sprayed it on yet or followed the other steps in the regimen yet - so we'll see how it works!!

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1. Spray with water (filtered)
2. Wipe with microfiber cloth
3. Brush with Chris Christenson's Ionic Brush (if coat is flaky - use jute-bristle scrub brush) (Jennie - Sounds like the Chris Christensen brush might be the same one you have already??)
4. Spray with coat spray* adjust proportions as neeed

*Coat Spray - in a spray bottle put:
1" of listerine
.5" of alpha keri bath oil, or avon skin so soft
1" of infusiun leave in hair conditioner
add water
Shake well before using
5. work into coat
6. brush with soft brush - kiwi shoe brush.
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Personally i dont do anything grooming wise. If i am in a great mood might give a bath and maybe with a wet cloth. grooming hair is unbelievable to me.
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3. Brush with Chris Christenson's Ionic Brush (if coat is flaky - use jute-bristle scrub brush) (Jennie - Sounds like the Chris Christensen brush might be the same one you have already??)
Not sure Harvest, this is the one I have: Chris Christensen Finishing Polishing Brush - Cherrybrook

I'm going to try the coat spray you posted... thank you.


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with the Chris Christensen "Finishing and Polishing" brush. That brush has VERY soft bristles, you can hardly call it a brush at all. What it does it just bring up the natural oils of the skin. It does
Hi I am just starting out to show, I hope, I was reading your post and I can not find the "finishing and polishing brush" that you mention. Does it have another name? do you have a picture of it? Thanks
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frznbuns, this is an old thread.

sadly have not seen Jennie ATX on DT for a long time.

as to show grooming a Doberman, best way to learn is to go to a dog show and talk to some Doberman Handlers and hang out in the grooming area if you can.

lots to learn there.
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