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Starting to show stack at 6 weeks old...

Hi all, new here and 1st time dobe owner. I have been in the ring prior (throughout middle and highschool) and with boston terriers (a far cry from a dobe) but with the addition of my little girl "Bristol" I have hopes of going back in the ring. (took time off for having little ones) I decided today to start practice stacking Bristol and thought I would add the pics. Looks like she wants to step forward a bit much but we will work on it. Given that we are paw deep in potty training, we have scheduled feedings, which also means she is much more food motivated when working on show training. As for the baskets, I am hoping these will be gone in a few days, when I 1st started with Boston's an experienced handler told me that if you take 2 objects of the same height (we used cinder blocks at the time) and placed them with a gap it made for an easy starting point because it would (generally) get the dog to stand still to fore go the gap. It seems to have worked in the past so I will try again with Bristol for a few days until she gets comfortable with stacking on a solid surface.
Just wanted to share the pics, I will add more as we progress in the journey

PS her ears are scheduled to be cropped the day after she turns 8 weeks =)


No baiting or hand stacking, just put her on the baskets and she set up rather nicely on her own


I baited her, still free footing, she stretches a bit far when baited but all in all I think she has some potential


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Thank you much, that would be a vast improvement over the wicker easter baskets (lol) but it was a start, when I showed a dalmatian, forever and a day ago he was 7 months old before we started and needless to say his show career went a whole lot of nowhere because (imo) we started to late, so I wanted to get a good start on Bristol while she was young.

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She is a bit young to be away from her mother and littermates. You will have to work pretty hard to make sure she gets all that she is missing from them. She is a cutie though.


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I agreed as well that she was young, the breeder told us the mother was refusing to feed the pups. I do know they are spaying her after this litter as it is a repeat incident (4 weeks into the last litter she stopped feeding) she has been doing good on puppy chow thus far and seems to be thriving well, she will be 7 weeks tomorrow and hopefully this wont be a major set back to her (leaving her Mom so young) our pitbull has taken on the mother/father role quite well and seems to be "comforting" her if you will, I wasnt sure how he would do (he's almost 9 years old now) but seems to know what he needs to do. Animals instinct is pretty amazing

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I agreed as well that she was young, the breeder told us the mother was refusing to feed the pups. I do know they are spaying her after this litter as it is a repeat incident (4 weeks into the last litter she stopped feeding) she has been doing good on puppy chow thus far and seems to be thriving well, she will be 7 weeks tomorrow and hopefully this wont be a major set back to her (leaving her Mom so young) our pitbull has taken on the mother/father role quite well and seems to be "comforting" her if you will, I wasnt sure how he would do (he's almost 9 years old now) but seems to know what he needs to do. Animals instinct is pretty amazing
So because the bitch would not feed them anymore they had to go?? This does not sound like a very good breeder!! I totally wean puppies by 5 weeks of age but they don't go home till after they are cropped at 8 weeks of age. Most bitches are getting sick of feeding puppies by the time they are 4 to 5 weeks old - can't blame them. Good food is expensive, but you don't push them out the door at 6 weeks!! They still need the time with their siblings and mother to teach them SOOOOO much.

I'd like to know who the breeder is!

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There's an article on the DPCA site that talks about when to start training...
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At what age do you start stacking your puppies?


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I really don't start stacking 'till they're probably around 3- 4 months old, after the ears are healed and put in 'rolls'. Before this age, I'll do an occasional stack for photos but really nothing that could be construed as 'training'. I do other 'things' like hold them all the time, kiss and baby talk to them. I take them on big Nature walks around the property where they explore rock piles, walk on tarps, jump over logs, wade in the creek. I use this time to teach them to 'come' and 'follow' when I clap my hands and whistle. I love to sit and just be with them. I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "God help me be the person that my dog thinks I am....well, my puppies think I'm their everything and I try to be!!
That article is by one of the best breeder/handlers in the country, I think its very good advice. Your girl is a baby, let her be a baby!

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So because the bitch would not feed them anymore they had to go?? This does not sound like a very good breeder!! I totally wean puppies by 5 weeks of age but they don't go home till after they are cropped at 8 weeks of age. Most bitches are getting sick of feeding puppies by the time they are 4 to 5 weeks old - can't blame them. Good food is expensive, but you don't push them out the door at 6 weeks!! They still need the time with their siblings and mother to teach them SOOOOO much.

I'd like to know who the breeder is!
Absolutely right...6 weeks is way to young to be taken away from their mom and especially their siblings...
And if she is a show prospect, how did they base their decision on?..Puppies are evaluated at 8 weeks. 6 weeks is to young to grade a puppy.
And it is illegal to sell a puppy before 8 weeks in most all states.

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I am happy you are getting back into showing, that's great!

However I think I should be honest with you about a few things. The AKC dobe ring is extremely competitive, filled with very well bred dobes from some very top notch breeders, and many being professionally handled by some of the best in the business. Before you start putting money into entries, hotels, gas etc, try to find a breeder close to you that is showing dobes in AKC shows and get them to give you an honest evaluation of your puppy. It may save you a lot of disappointment, expense and heartache. Also, make sure to take your puppy to the right vet, who knows how to provide a show crop. If your puppy's ears aren't done right, no matter how nice she may turn out, a bad crop will make her stick out in the ring like a sore thumb.

Keep up the stacking, have fun with her and try a few shows in UKC for fun and see how those go.

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Usually if a dog comes from a breeder who is willing to let the dog go at 6 weeks old because the mom doesn't want to nurse them anymore they aren't going to be breeding dogs of show quality.
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Usually if a dog comes from a breeder who is willing to let the dog go at 6 weeks old because the mom doesn't want to nurse them anymore they aren't going to be breeding dogs of show quality.
I totally agree with this statement, but since I have no idea of who the parents of this puppy are, who the breeder is, and have not laid eyes on the puppy, I thought someone close by might be able to help this poster get a real idea of what she has or doesn't have.

Poster, even if this puppy doesn't end up being of the quality you will need to be competitive in the show ring, there are so many other fun things to do with her like obedience, agility, etc. The main thing is to have fun with her!

Oh yes, of course, keep posting lots of cute puppy pictures too!

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Congrats on your new puppy
I have a soft spot for red girls
Wishing you many happy years with her.

While I also am concerned about a breeder that would place a puppy so young, and for the reasons listed; I am glad she is in a home that seems truly thrilled to have her.

You might want to do a little research on puppy nutrition. Larger breed puppies sometimes need a diet that is geared to their growth patterns.

I think she does have a lot of potential. It might not be in the breed ring, which as people have told you is EXTREMELY competitive, but there are many venues which you can choose to compete with her in the future. (Obedience, Rally, Tracking, Agility, Flyball I could go on and on) Keep doing what you are with her. Any training makes her a more well rounded dog. Then when she grows up a bit find the place that is the best fit for her and most importantly have FUN!

Good Luck with her and do continue to send photos.

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Try to take all the comments and learn from the pros without defensiveness. Most of us knew nothing about the Doberman show world when we came on this forum so you're in good company. I'm sure you already do and it's great that you also want to do some of the really FUN stuff with her like agility!! Keep the photos coming!

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here's a listing of shows (various venues) in NY: InfoDog List of Pure Bred Dog Shows Held in NY

Also, UKC has a few shows coming up in June in NY: United Kennel Club: Upcoming Events

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Thank you for all of the advice guys, it is much appreciated =) I dont so much plan to get into the competitive spirit of the ring, but I loved it as a kid, was a nice way to spend a weekend. I plan to do just local shows for fun, nothing huge. I would love to get back into agility too, will be a different change of pace (I did agility with Bostons) but I would love to get back there when Bristol gets older. We also got some great news today... (semi off topic for a minute) the offer of a land contract was accepted on the home that we have been renting (YES, there is a landlord that will allow not only a staffordshire terrier but also a doberman... how lucky was I?) which means we will be getting Bristol a friend as well. This time I will take my time to look into a breeder that has better ethics and pride in their litters.
***BTW, the breeder we opted for was recommended by a family member (they are in TN and I am in NY) who swore up and down they were an awesome breeder, be it that its a family member we took their word. They I dont believe purposely steered us wrong but... ***

Now, back to Mrs. Bristol, I will continue to work with her, she may not be show potential afterall (I cant really make this judgement quite yet) but if nothing else I do think my daughter (8) will have a lot of fun doing 4H shows with her, and maybe, just maybe she will have a great crop job and flourish into a beautiful show candidate?!

So, to sum up a long post. Thank you all, I never expected to have so much helpful advice

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It's so nice to see someone so excited to get out and do something with their pup! Whatever you decide to do with Bristol, I wish you the best of luck and hope you have a great time enjoying each others company!!
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Thank you for all of the advice guys, it is much appreciated =) I dont so much plan to get into the competitive spirit of the ring, but I loved it as a kid, was a nice way to spend a weekend. I plan to do just local shows for fun, nothing huge. I would love to get back into agility too, will be a different change of pace (I did agility with Bostons) but I would love to get back there when Bristol gets older. We also got some great news today... (semi off topic for a minute) the offer of a land contract was accepted on the home that we have been renting (YES, there is a landlord that will allow not only a staffordshire terrier but also a doberman... how lucky was I?) which means we will be getting Bristol a friend as well. This time I will take my time to look into a breeder that has better ethics and pride in their litters.
***BTW, the breeder we opted for was recommended by a family member (they are in TN and I am in NY) who swore up and down they were an awesome breeder, be it that its a family member we took their word. They I dont believe purposely steered us wrong but... ***

Now, back to Mrs. Bristol, I will continue to work with her, she may not be show potential afterall (I cant really make this judgement quite yet) but if nothing else I do think my daughter (8) will have a lot of fun doing 4H shows with her, and maybe, just maybe she will have a great crop job and flourish into a beautiful show candidate?!

So, to sum up a long post. Thank you all, I never expected to have so much helpful advice
Well, you have her now so I hope you have fun with her and get involved in some sort of dog sport. If you decide that you want to get back into showing dogs in conformation in the future, get in touch with the local club to find a mentor. We need people who want to show

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