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Momofadoberdork 12-03-2018 08:55 PM

Cost of showing your doberman
 
Hi! I was hoping you experienced show folks can help me. While we have always owned Dobermans my daughter is anxious to get in the ring. B4 investing in a show puppy I would like feed back on the cost of her new hobby. While the pup will run around 3k? Classes handlers fees stuff like that. What would u say it costs to finish your dog start to finish. Thank you for your help. We want to be prepared in every way !

MaryAndDobes 12-03-2018 10:55 PM

Obviously, the quality of the dog is going to make a huge difference in the cost of finishing a championship. And the competition in the area where you are competing. Whether your daughter is owner-handling at all, or whether handlers are used all the way. So many things can influence the cost.

There used to be an understanding that it cost about $1000 a point. I don't know if that still holds true on average or if it's worse now.

Gretchen_Red 12-04-2018 12:45 PM

Be prepared to spend everything you have and give up your soul as well ;) but it's a good, fun, hobby and money spent elsewhere could be worse so....

dobebug 12-04-2018 02:05 PM

Does your daughter want to show conformation? Has she been to dog shows and does she know what it involves? And how old is your daughter?

The cost of showing including the cost of the puppy is so variable because of all the things Mary mentioned it's really hard to get completely specific about ultimate cost.
You've got a Dobe? One of the things you might suggest to her is to get her feet wet by training and handling the Dobe you have in one of the performance venues--where she can meet people and see if she really wants to try showing in conformation.

The show ring can be tough to break in to--and some people try it and find that they really don't have the skill to show their own dogs and the show puppy turned out to really need an experienced handle (which is expensive).

The most successful young handlers I know started out finding a Dobe handler who needed a helper and got to show a dog in junior handling and if they turned out to have some skill got to take dogs back in the show ring for the handler--it really was a training program sort of thing--I know several juniors who ended up earning their first show puppy when they were working for a breeder handler and ended up being very successful in the show ring--but that takes years. The very determined kids are the ones who stick it out--I'm not sure that buying show puppy for your daughter is the best way to approach this. I've seen far more kids lose interest when showing turns out to be not all the fun they thought it would be when it involves early mornings, late nights, exercising dogs cleaning out crates that dogs had accidents in and trying to get upset dogs to eat, to show when they didn't want to and all the stuff like that.

Good luck if this works out for your kid but a lot of it is just plain hard work.

Fitzmar Dobermans 12-04-2018 07:42 PM

So much what dobebug said! Both of my girls tried out Jr. Handling and neither one took to it - they had other sports/activities that they liked better. Thankfully for me, I'm the one that had the show bug.... so the fact that my kids didn't take to it was just a blip along the way.

As far as what it takes to put a championship on a Doberman just has so many factors that it would be hard to even give you a range ... but I will try.

Dogs (males) are generally a little easier than a bitch - especially a really nice boy. I have only had 3 litters and was happy to have one or two show while the rest (even if they were show quality) went to pet homes. From my first litter, I kept the pick male (he will be 11 this month). He walked in the ring 20 times before becoming a champion including at the national - a few of those times was with me..... most of the time it was with a pro handler. Not including the cost of the national, it cost me probably less than $2000 in handling fees. I always traveled with him so probably another $1000 or so for hotels and a few $100 for gas, etc... Harvard is not your average show dog, so do not expect to spend this little.... but you never know.

From my second litter, I had 3 boys showing. One unfortunately died of cancer at age 2 when he was almost finished. Two of the local boys were co-owned by me. One was sent out a lot as a puppy and showed way too much when he should have been sitting home maturing a little. He finished at age 13 months at a cost of over $10,000. His owner certainly had the money to spend, but if he had let him sit home for a few months as a puppy, he could have finished him for under $5000. He later specialed on a limited basis with decent results after he matured nicely.
Another boy from that litter had a owner that only had about $5000 to spend. He showed a few times as a puppy to train, and then sat and just went to handling classes occasionally till he was ready to win. He finished fast at around 3 years of age with 4 majors. It definitely cost less than $5000.

The bitches I have shown, definitely cost more to finish. I would say an average of $8000 for a very deserving bitch with a pro handler.
I showed a couple that did not finish - they could have if I had been willing to spend more money.... but I wasn't willing to spend that much.

Some of it has to do with how much you want to show. I have a very nice puppy bitch that has been to a couple of shows (including the national) in the 6-9 month classes... no points yet. She will come out this weekend in the 9-12 month class and show 2 weekends in a row - we will see how she does. If she does well then she will keep showing, if not, she will sit for a few more months. My handler likes her a lot and said she would finish very fast if I wait till she is mature.... not sure I can sit on her that long as I like to go to shows. I hope to keep it under $8000 as I am pretty much retired so don't have money to blow without digging into the family account.

Finished dogs:

My foundation bitch Louise: Ch. Cha-Rish A Moment Like This RN WAC CGC
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4887/...13c8a3d8_c.jpgLouise new Champ 2007 - Version 2 by Mary Jo Ansel, on Flickr

Harvard from my first litter: GCH Fitzmar's Command A Minute CGC
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4819/...ec561ba3_c.jpg09039A039_2002 by Mary Jo Ansel, on Flickr

From my 2nd litter: GCH Fitzmar's Eleventh Hour Cha-Rish "Comet"
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4876/...a146622e_c.jpgmagic valley_2 by Mary Jo Ansel, on Flickr

Also 2nd litter: GCH Fitzmar's After Hours Cha-Rish CD RE TDI ROM CGC "Maverick"
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4888/...f40c78ba_c.jpgimg-120913100358-0001_2 by Mary Jo Ansel, on Flickr

3rd litter: CH Fitzmar's Landshark CGC WAC "Phynn"
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4900/...d805afb3_c.jpgPhynn new Champion by Mary Jo Ansel, on Flickr

And my hopeful (hope to breed her to the frozen I have on Harvard someday) Jalyn One Moment Please "Mabel"https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1771/...7aa34f26_c.jpgMabel with Carissa at 5 months by Mary Jo Ansel, on Flickr

4x4bike ped 12-04-2018 11:25 PM

@ Fitzmar

Thank you for your up front and comprehensive dissertation on your experience and cost of showing Dobermans.

John
Portland OR

Edit to say: You breed very handsome Dobermans

Strife 01-09-2019 01:41 PM

This thread is a little old, but I hope I can still give some input.

Including travel expenses (Gas, hotels, food), entries, and handling fees, I spent just shy of $8000 showing Strife to his Ch. I put roughly 10,000 miles on my car to do it.

So worth it. We had a blast, and his GCh run will hopefully not be as expensive!

ECIN 01-10-2019 09:17 AM

All I can say it must cost lots of money ! Last summer -- Strife posted up some pictures and that poor girl had jeans on that was full of holes ! From top to bottom ! I thought about sending her a PM and send her some money for a new pair - :grin2::grin2:>:)

But then Ali had to go to the Vet and there went that money - :grin2:

ECIN 01-10-2019 10:39 AM

Fitz - Thanks for all the info - very interesting - question - why does it take longer for the bitch's - viruses males ??

By chance - will you be showing in Indy - think it's in Feb sometime .

Thanks

Ken

falnfenix 01-10-2019 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ECIN (Post 4050941)
Fitz - Thanks for all the info - very interesting - question - why does it take longer for the bitch's - viruses males ??

More competition, in my limited experience.

Fitzmar Dobermans 01-10-2019 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ECIN (Post 4050941)
Fitz - Thanks for all the info - very interesting - question - why does it take longer for the bitch's - viruses males ??

By chance - will you be showing in Indy - think it's in Feb sometime .

Thanks

Ken

I generally don't travel that far away to show unless it is a national.... and even then I don't go that often. Most of the year, there are shows within a 2-3 hour drive from where I am at (Philadelphia suburbs)
Quote:

Originally Posted by falnfenix (Post 4050999)
More competition, in my limited experience.

ding ding ding! This is the correct answer! There are almost always a significant larger number of bitches entered in the classes - the exception is Best of Breed where there are often more males. The reason is that you can breed a bitch, but the chances anyone will breed to your male unless he is truly spectacular and/or heavily campaigned is much slimmer.


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