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So Miss Molly is the first girl I have that I want to show, but I have a few questions and such before I dive in! My breeder suggested entering in, or at least watching, the Alberta DP Club Specialty Show Baby Puppy class? I have some random quick questions though, since I have never done this, so I apologize if these are really obvious!

1. Does the dog have to be facing a certain way in the stack? I always practicing stacking her with her facing my left, but I have seen most pictures with them facing the other way (to the handler's right)?

2. What exactly does one do in the Baby Puppy class? My breeder explained it a bit already, but maybe a refresher because, now looking back, I am kind of confused? I remember that you go into the ring, stack your puppy immediately, then wait for the judge to look them over. Then there is something about you walking your puppy for the judge to see? I have looked around for articles or something on exactly what you do, but I can't find many?

3. Does the judge let you keep the tape in the ears (I would assume yes, or else they are sort of going against what they want in the breed anyways) when you stack?

4. Are you allowed to use treats/baits, and how long must they be in a stack? How do people keep those wriggly little puppies calm in a stack?

5. How lenient are the judges going to be? I'm just doing this for fun, but are they going to be really strict and... well... judgmental? Even though they are 4 month old little puppies? I don't think you can expect too much from them at this age?

Again, I am doing this mostly for the fun and experience for starters, but I don't exactly want to get laughed out of there by doing something incredibly silly!

Here are some pictures I have of her stacked! What do people think? I used a tip I read on here about the peanut butter on a spoon and I think that is a great idea, as it makes the stack more fun for the puppy too!







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Well I can answer a couple of them
1. From these photos she should be facing the other way

4&5 yes you can use bait- long enough to keep her focused . Judges don't like you baiting them tho right before they're going to look in their mouths .

At this age it's about making the ring fun & judges understand that a puppy isn't going to stay still for long

I personally would take the posts out for the ring, it's ok if they flop around at this age, maybe others who've taken a puppy in for a match can chime in on this.

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In AKC you have to remove any kind of tape or bandage, which includes ear posts.

Every Judge runs their ring differently, and if its possible, I like to watch the judge do the breeds or classes before mine, so that I know what to expect.

Most are very understanding with puppies. My puppies, at this age, are typically jumping up, wiggling, and bouncing around, and Im ok with that Its easier to bring a dog down than build them up, so I encourage the "Look at ME!!!" kind of behavior in the ring.

Go to as many shows as you can to watch and get a good idea of what to expect, and most importantly, have fun. SMILE in the ring, especially when your puppy does something naughty or silly. She has plenty of time to be a perfect show dog, right now should be more about having FUN!


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That is a very, very pretty puppy!

I totally agree with the other poster's comments about keeping it fun. Can you go to any local handling classes? I had to really work on the "stand / stay" with Lucy when she was a puppy. was a newbie also so didn't know what I was doing. I used a bit spoon with peanut butter on it when we were first learning because she would stand still as long as she could lick that spoon. Going to handling classes really helped her learn to stand still and hold her stack amidst other show type distractions too.

Here are some articles that I found useful when I was training Lucy for the ring. I've included the main link to the conformation article section plus another one by Michelle Santana with training tips. I personally found all the articles by Michelle Santana to be pretty helpful.

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p.s. I just wanted to add that you can definitely bring a toy into the ring. You will see handlers using bait and others using a favorite ball or small toy to keep the dog engaged.

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always present the 'show side' your dogs left, to the judge.

unless you feel confident enough to be different and show the opposite side............. sometimes it is what will stick in a judges mind as you and your dog are what catches his eye from all the others.....the other handlers may be pissed.........oooooooooooops, too much information. hahahah

as said no posts in ears, dye, chalk, etc

do some research on judges you may be showing under, ask others if that judge is good with puppies and newbie handlers.

you do not want her first time in the ring to be spoiled by a judge who may be too harsh with pups.

most judges do not mind if you bait your dog with treats, toys etc., just do not go squeak, squeak, squeak around the ring, , and some judges love to see your dogs expression, so when you notice this do not be shoving bait into your dogs mouth at that time.

your stacking is coming along just fine, you can tweak a few things here and there as you gain more experience.

I think you two are ready to have some fun in the show rings.

at the show, the ring steward will call all arm band numbers to ringside, starting with the 6 -9 puppy dog class....all male classes are judged first, so if you are entered in the 6 -9 months puppy bitch class, be at ringside when they are judging winners dog and reserve winners dog as your class will be next in the ring.

The ring steward will call you in order of arm band numbers, so listen up, , when your number is called, enter the ring and get ready to stack your pup behind the puppy in front to you, if you are called in first, go to the spot where the line up always starts (if you watched the male classes, you will know better), most judges will start going over the first pup then ask the handler to move the pup, usually a triangle pattern first and then a down and back will be asked of you, then a go around to the end of the line.

Once the judge has gone over and judged each pup in the class, they usually have you all do one more go around at which time they will point to 1st, second and third placements, so keep an eye on the judge too.

then, once all the bitch classes have been judged, all the first place winner will be brought back in the ring and judged again for winners bitch.

once winners bitch has been selected, the second place class winner to the winners bitch will join the other class winners and reserve winners will be selected.

if you end up with winners bitch, stick close to the ring as the breed judging will be next, all specials will enter the ring when their numbers are called, then winners dog and then winners bitch and breed judging will commence with best puppy being judged last.

then if you win breed.......... off to group, then if you win group..off to best in show.

It could happen.

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She looks stacked in the right direction to me, just get on the other side of her. Just get her and you used to stacking on your left side facing forward.

Make sure she has lots of fun!

Try not to feed her before the judge examines the mouth so she doesn't have gunk all on her teeth.

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Wow thanks everyone!! Great responses! Hehe I just realized I forgot another question! What kind of collar should I use? Right now I just have the standard buckle collar on?

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Wow thanks everyone!! Great responses! Hehe I just realized I forgot another question! What kind of collar should I use? Right now I just have the standard buckle collar on?
I use a nylon slip collar when showing puppies.


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Ahh okay! Perfect! Is there a particular size I need to order, or can I just shorten it to whatever fits by holding it together with my hand? I better get her used to the nylon slip now so it isn't a big surprise for show!

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there is a method to 'rolling' the excess lead into your hand and letting it out when needed.................

so much for you to learn.

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not sure what length of lead is being used these days. about 3 feet maybe.
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Thank you SO much, Darkevs! Sorry for the incessant questions, I am a complete noob when it comes to this!

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thank you for bringing back so many fun memories for me.

I LOVED my dog showing newbie days.

we had so much fun.

make sure you and your girl have fun too.

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I would not enter her in a show until she's been to a class and had several "judges" examine her. Open her mouth, check her bite, count her teeth, go over her from head to toe.

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You're talking about the baby puppy class (3 - 6 months) in Canada, and darkevs has not given you the right order of when you'd go in. Even though I ring steward once or twice a year for a weekend, I can't remember when the baby puppies come in either but I think it's after breed judging and best puppy in breed is finished. Or the male babies come in after Winners dog and the female babies come in after Winners Bitch and then Best Baby Puppy after the regular Best Puppy in Breed? I always have to refresh myself on it when I show up for my stewarding assignments.

Whoever said to ask around about the judges and whether they are good with puppies is absolutely right. Some don't have the patience and tolerance. The judge I stewarded for earlier this year didn't even want to judge the baby puppies! And it was part of his assignment, period. That said, I didn't notice that he wasn't patient or kind with them but I was kind of wondering how it would go when I heard he was trying to get out of judging them.

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they have a baby puppy 3 - 6 month class at CKC point shows now?

holy crap.

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had to do some research.

Baby Puppy Classes at a specialty

This is a new class approved by the CKC open to puppies between the ages of 3-6 months. No points are awarded to Baby Puppies. Placements are awarded first through fourth for each sex with Best Baby Puppy Male and Best Baby Puppy Female awarded respectively. Immediately thereafter a Best Baby Puppy in Specialty is chosen. Printed on the Baby Puppy Class Judging Form is the following note: “Judges should not disqualify dogs in this class for lack of testicles or not meeting a minimum height requirement required in the breed standard.”


"BABY PUPPY CLASS –shall be for puppies aged 3 months to under 6 months of
age. The winners of these classes will NOT compete for points. To be judged
following the completion of the regular Specialty classes."
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really nice puppy!!
As for the order of the baby puppy class, it always seems to change. It would be nice if it could be listed in the premium list as to how the order will go....

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It's not just a specialty class. Clubs can offer it if they wish at all breed shows.

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really nice puppy!!
As for the order of the baby puppy class, it always seems to change. It would be nice if it could be listed in the premium list as to how the order will go....
All I can remember for sure is that Best Baby Puppy in Show is before Best In Show. I think.

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