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Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-31-2014, 08:26 PM
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Posted By charlie845
Yes I agree- I hate it when breeders try and sell...

Yes I agree- I hate it when breeders try and sell their Euro dobies by saying they are so huge- they should not be 130lbs!
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-31-2014, 06:14 PM
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Posted By charlie845
Im not sure what you are saying about...

Im not sure what you are saying about generalizations - I have seen plenty of Euro females that are her size, she's more of a working line correct?
There are also plenty of Euro females that are...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-31-2014, 01:30 PM
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Posted By charlie845
And again its not about the buyers choice or not...

And again its not about the buyers choice or not - its about that one dog that has to suffer because someone wants to breed two dogs together. I get what your saying MaryandDobes but I just happen to...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-31-2014, 07:38 AM
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Posted By charlie845
I find it very hard to believe that people are...

I find it very hard to believe that people are that stupid not to understand the point I am trying to make so I am just going to assume you just dont care. No matter how many times you show me a dog...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 08:07 PM
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Posted By charlie845
Guess you met some pretty crappy breeders then -...

Guess you met some pretty crappy breeders then - I got into the European lines about 10 years or so ago and have been since then. It is possible for someone to have a different opinion than an...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 11:43 AM
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Posted By charlie845
You people recommend whoever you want- you make...

You people recommend whoever you want- you make compromises as well - there are 3 pages of threads about your compromises. I guess its ok when the majority think its ok
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 11:18 AM
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Posted By charlie845
I think its so funny the OP asked for a good...

I think its so funny the OP asked for a good European breeder and everyone is pointing them in the direction of American dobermans - not at all what they asked for help.
This forum is completely...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 10:09 AM
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Posted By charlie845
So let me get this right - your ok with a dog...

So let me get this right - your ok with a dog that could suffer from this disease because you told the owner about it? And its a hard decision for you to breed two dogs when you know that a puppy...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 10:02 AM
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Posted By charlie845
But you support breeders who are breeding knowing...

But you support breeders who are breeding knowing that a dog could suffer from their breeding practices, you see nothing wrong with that Dobe_Mom?

This is the only breed I have owned in 30 years...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 09:39 AM
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Posted By charlie845
My point proven: You feel just because only one...

My point proven: You feel just because only one dog suffers from this disease (and it is something they can suffer from) is ok, because its helping you create the ultimate working/confirmation dog....
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 08:30 AM
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Posted By charlie845
Im not speaking about cardio!!!! All that I am...

Im not speaking about cardio!!!!
All that I am saying is that its horrible that people think its ok to breed any dogs that are vWD affected at all- there is a chance they can suffer from it so WHY...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 08:19 AM
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Posted By charlie845
I would love to see what you would say if you...

I would love to see what you would say if you lost your vWD affected dog because of someones breeding decisions. Unbelievable.....


I thought this was a site that actually CARED about dobermans...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 02:16 AM
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Posted By charlie845
LOL - you realize your whole statement makes no...

LOL - you realize your whole statement makes no sense - that is not a kennel that I purchased my dog from, thats just like pulling any random website out of nowhere and asking me what I think of the...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-30-2014, 02:09 AM
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Posted By charlie845
I NEVER said if the dog is affected it is going...

I NEVER said if the dog is affected it is going to die- I said it COULD. Is that not true?
I also said that this problem can be avoided completely- is that not also true?

I dont know where the...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-29-2014, 03:23 PM
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Posted By charlie845
So there you have it.....its better to risk...

So there you have it.....its better to risk something you know the dog COULD be affected with for sure (vWD) that choose a different dog that would not give any puppy a chance of having that problem...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-29-2014, 01:46 PM
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Posted By charlie845
My point was not that we should focus on one test...

My point was not that we should focus on one test as opposed to another- its that we are lucky enough to have the vWD tests and make sure not one doberman needs to go through it- why not take...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-29-2014, 08:14 AM
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Views: 8,911
Posted By charlie845
If you want to say Im inexperienced because I...

If you want to say Im inexperienced because I dont think its right in ANY case to breed a dog that knowingly CAN die because of someones desire to something else in the gene pool then thats just fine...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-29-2014, 07:40 AM
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Views: 8,911
Posted By charlie845
SieYa Im not going to start a battle with you -...

SieYa Im not going to start a battle with you - there is no need for it. If a dog is affected with vWD they CAN die - there is NO reason for any dog to be affected with it when its something that can...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-29-2014, 07:13 AM
Replies: 99
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Posted By charlie845
Just because someone is open about the vWD status...

Just because someone is open about the vWD status makes it ok they breed dogs that knowingly could die from something they are 100% at fault for? With all the health issues in this breed if there is...
Forum: Breeding and Breeders   05-29-2014, 07:01 AM
Replies: 99
Views: 8,911
Posted By charlie845
I have to agree with Pattym - most American...

I have to agree with Pattym - most American dobermans I have seen do not have the temperament I would want. I also agree with this forum being flooded with people who have some grudge on Euro dogs,...
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