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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 08-08-2012, 03:03 PM Thread Starter
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Oh, the Healing Powers of a New Dobe Pup...

I was grieving so terribly over the recent loss of my sweet Lexie (Lexie's Story) that my boyfriend, Justin, suggested we adopt a new puppy to help ease the pain. I wasn't sure if my heart was ready to love another Doberman so soon, but ever since Margot came into our lives two weeks ago I've realized that she arrived just in time.

Look at this beautiful little Dobe!!! Her tail was docked when we got her, but we have recently decided we are going to leave her ears natural. For the record, I'm not against the practice of ear cropping, but our decision was based mainly on money and timing (we're leaving for vacation in a couple of weeks).

Anyway, I just wanted to show her off and also invite you guys to follow along on our little adventures in puppyhood at Raising Margot.
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This just brings a huge smile and tears too, of happiness, for you and your SO, and for the healing process. I followed Lexies blog and it devastated me when I read of her struggles and yours. She was such a special girl and fought so hard.
It was a little different for me .. I got my puppy while we still had our precious Mysti, but lost her a short 5mo later. Without having Nexus in my life I dont think I could have handled losing Mysti the way we did, but those sweet little puppy kisses and all the time I had to spend taking care of her were the best medicine for a broken heart. I also still think of Mysti every day, but having my girls helps so much.
I am sure you will have so much fun raising this little treasure, and she will help you to heal and be able to remember your Lexie without the tears, even though there is still an empty space there. I am also looking forward to reading more about this special little girl you now have.

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Thank you so very much. This meant a lot to me. I'm so sorry for your loss, but it's comforting to know that you understand what I'm going through.
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I'm very sorry for the loss of your girl Lexie. It's clear how much you loved her.

Congratulations on the new puppy. Sounds like Margot came into your lives at just the right time.



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Thanks for adopting, congrats on your new bundle of JOY


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ETA - just read the blog. So you bought her from a breeder? I am very sorry for your loss and glad she's making you feel better, but I still don't think it's a good idea to ever support a byb.

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Sorry about your loss. Good luck with little Margot!

Just as an FYI, it's kind of offensive to rescuers when someone refers to a purchased puppy as "adopted".
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Margot is adorable, and I very much related to your Lixie story...will read the nice tribute later.
- 25 years ago, we tried to save our Tanya (9.5 y/o) and no amount of money could give us more than a few extra months, with our girl w/cancer
- I mourned every day for 2 years and my wife did for 5 years straight
- we waited 14 years for our new dober pup, and now she too is getting old, a new pup is not an option, till she is gone...as Amy would be jealous

Never again will I make that big mistake, and wait any longer than logistical/litter necessary, for a fun little girly...to invigorate our loving home and equally share our family life
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Just so you know...in the state of Ohio, it's illegal to sell puppies under the age of 8 weeks. (OH ST 955.50)

Once I find the ad, I will be reporting the 'breeder'.

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Just as an FYI, it's kind of offensive to rescuers when someone refers to a purchased puppy as "adopted".
Seems to me that any time money has changed hands, an animal has been purchased... including when money is handed to a rescue organization.

I tend to restrict the term "adoption" to the acquisition of human babies/children.
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The average cost of adopting a human child is right around $30,000....that's a lot of money changing hands!

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cbellphoto, Lexie's story was heartbreaking and I am happy that you found someone to help you through it. I hope that you'll do some research on breeders so when you're ready to add to your family again, you'll be a little more prepared on what's considered a reputable breeder. I've learned a lot from this site and hope you'll stick around to learn and share with us!

ETA: Margot's very cute...love her name!

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The average cost of adopting a human child is right around $30,000....that's a lot of money changing hands!
It is a lot of money. However, last I heard, young humans were not considered to be property, so I would not think that one could be considered to have purchased one.
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Seems to me that any time money has changed hands, an animal has been purchased... including when money is handed to a rescue organization.

I tend to restrict the term "adoption" to the acquisition of human babies/children.
Based on your posts, you are a very sensible person. I don't believe for a second that you don't see a difference in adopting vs. purchasing an animal.

Personally, I find the term "adoption" for a purchased animal to be disrespectful. Our rescue charges an adoption fee to cover heart worm treatment, surgeries (we've done several knee and hip replacements this year alone), spay and neuters, food, and vet costs. Our adoption fee is not pocketed for future breeding plans. Yes, money is exchanged, but there is a HUGE difference in what that money goes towards. Saving animals vs. creating animals (unethically in this case).
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Unhappy If You Don't Have Anything Nice to Say...

To those of you who have offered our condolences for my loss and/or congratulations for my new puppy, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I truly appreciate your kind words.

To those of you who read my post and chose to respond by scolding me, I really have no words to express how deeply your replies have saddened me. I can, however, assure you that my intention was not to start a debate about semantics, nor did I think my post would offend anyone. I assure you that I do not support puppy mills or the practice of breeding/selling puppies purely for money. When I inquired about the ad I found online, I felt like Megan was interviewing me just as much as I was interviewing her. In fact, her ad even stated that she reserved the right to refuse a sale. I also wouldn't have driven 4.5 hours to adopt....I'm sorry....purchase a puppy from someone who seemed to only care about money, and since bringing Margot home, Megan has texted me several times requesting updates and making sure that Margot is being well taken care of.

I'm not saying that I shouldn't have done more research and been aware of the Ohio state laws regarding the purchase/sale of puppies. Maybe I should have. (?) I'm also not defending Megan and Randy for selling their puppies two weeks too early because, as I stated in my blog, in hindsight I wish they had kept the pups with their mother until 8 weeks of age. I am, however, fully admitting that basically all I cared about when I began my online puppy search was easing the pain of grieving my Lou and hopefully finding happiness again, and I am so thankful to say that I have done both of those things thanks to Margot.

So, again, I'm sorry if I offended some of you by saying "adopted" instead of "became the mother of," and I'm sorry that the circumstances surrounding my acquisition of Margot did not meet some of your standards, but mostly I'm just sorry that I even bothered to share my happiness in this forum. To say that I'm disappointed right now would be a huge understatement, but at least I've learned my lesson.
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We are more disappointed I'm afraid.

Good luck with Margo, I hope she lives a long healthy life.
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Congrats on your new pup and I am sorry for your loss. I saw that you posted that you were having issues with Margot being mouthy and bitting. Staying with her littermates and momma till she was 8 weeks old would have helped this. They learn so much from their litter and their mom in those two weeks. Good luck with her she is a cutie!

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I want to apologize for my defensiveness in my last post. It was a knee-jerk reaction to reading some of the harsher comments I have recieved here, which were totally unexpected. I felt blindsided and ganged-up on, so I reacted accordingly.

Now that I am calmer and have had a while to think about everything, I just want to say that I understand that most of you mean well. Like me, you care very strongly about Dobermans, and you want to discourage people (also, like me) from supporting/promoting poor breeding practices, which is a good thing. I am very new to this world of pure bred dogs. Lexie came into my life quite accidentally 9 years ago after I had already purchased (rescued? acquired? adopted?) my other two mutts from a pound a couple of years prior. Before Lou, I had never encountered a full-blooded Doberman, but I grew to love and appreciate the breed so much through raising and falling so in love with Lexie that I have since declared that I will always have a Doberman in my life. Hence, my desire to acquire/obtain/purchase/adopt/become the mother of a new Dobe pup after Lexie passed away.

Before I even looked for ads for Doberman puppies, I did do some research online about the types of questions I should ask a breeder because, believe it or not, I wanted to make sure I didn't buy a puppy from someone who was breeding just for money. As I have said before, I had a whole, long list of questions for Megan when I answered her ad ("Are both of the parents on site, and can I meet them?" "How are you socializing the puppies?" "Do you have kids and/or other animals?" "How are the puppies weaned?" "Have they had their first set of shots and have they been wormed?" etc.), but Megan also had a whole long list of questions for me, as well. I asked to see pictures of both the litter and the parents, and she sent me more photos than I was even expecting. When I made the appointment to meet with her the following day, I made it clear that I was coming to check out the litter and the parents and only POSSIBLY purchase a pup. Again, if Megan had given me any reason to believe that she only cared about making money off the litter, I would NOT have made that 4.5-hour drive.

I am now quite surprised that, while doing my research, I never read anything about what age a puppy should be before it is removed from it's litter, so admittedly I should have done MORE research before answering Megan's ad. I honestly did not know that 6 weeks-old was too young to sell a litter and, in hindsight, I would not have answered her ad for that very reason. However, it's hard for me to say now that I actually REGRET answering Megan's ad because it brought Margot into our lives. I'm sorry if that upsets or offends some of you, I truly am, but what's done is done. Thankfully, Margot is very healthy and probably couldn't have asked for a better home (if I do say so myself), but at least I've learned from this experience and will never again answer an ad for a litter that is being sold too young.

With all of that said, I realize that I am once again being a little defensive, but I just want to make it clear that, while I may be new to all of this and now realize that I should have done a lot more research before choosing a breeder, I DO care about how Doberman puppies are bred, bought, and sold. I do not believe that ignorance is ever a valid excuse, but please try to keep in mind that I was in a much different state of mind at the time that I started looking for a puppy (Justin and I were grieving SO MUCH and wanted so badly to ease that pain), and I really did feel like I had "done my homework" before I decided to drive to Ohio that day to check out Megan's litter.

Anyway, I just wanted to apologize for lashing out a little bit with my previous post and say that I DO appreciate the fact that you guys are trying to educate people about poor breeding practices. I get it, but I also feel like some of you could be a little more tactful with your methods. What's that old saying? "You can get a lot more with honey than you can with vinegar?" I don't think any of you are bad people, but some of you need to realize that your words can and do hurt people.

So, the next time you run across a post in this forum by a new puppy owner who is very excited to show off their new baby (ESPECIALLY if that person is also in the process of grieving a very painful loss), I hope you will show some consideration for that person's feelings and actually try to gather a little more information from them before deciding whether or not they deserve to be scolded or simply educated, rather than just automatically assuming that this grieving new puppy owner is a horrible person who knowingly supports poor breeding practices, which is exactly how some of you made me feel. Again, there are no longer any hard feelings on my part, but I did feel like that needed to be said.
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That is a very mature response cbellphoto, thank you for sharing that with us. I think that we can all learn to communicate and educate using kinder words as none of us here are perfect.
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cbellphoto, Lexie's story was heartbreaking and I am happy that you found someone to help you through it. I hope that you'll do some research on breeders so when you're ready to add to your family again, you'll be a little more prepared on what's considered a reputable breeder. I've learned a lot from this site and hope you'll stick around to learn and share with us!

ETA: Margot's very cute...love her name!

I just wanted to thank you for being the perfect example of how it is possible for someone to get their point across tactfully and respectfully. I appreciate your condolences, as well. I have most definitely learned a lot from this experience, and I assure you that I will make better, more informed decisions if I ever decide to add another Doberman to our little family. Again, thank you very much much for your kind reply.
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I am so sorry for your loss. This little girl sure is cute and hopefully she will help you heal a little better!!


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If I were in your position of just having lost the love of my life on 4-feet, I imagine it would feel pretty suffocating dealing with that loss let alone trying to think clearly about much anything else. And I imagine in that situation, if I didn't already know what I do already know, it would be difficult to sort through every fine detail of searching for a breeder. I know how much brain power my breeder search required 3 years ago and my life was going along just peachy at the time. It seems daunting, to say the least, to imagine if I were faced with that kind of search if it were just after having lost one of my current girls...the idea of even getting out of bed seems a bit extreme if I were to have just suffered the loss of one of them.

Anyway, I'm glad you've decided to stick around. I hope you continue to update us on Margot and ask any questions you may have.

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cbellphoto - I have been called "rude" a rightfully "arrogant" before...LOL.
- but some bluntness above, makes me shake my head...given the heart wrenching story...you shared

PLEASE STAY HERE, much to learn...I knew the "odd snipes" would come out...but I never rained or peed on your parade..of puppy excitement.
- tough to make a most educated decision to agree with the hierachy...when your dealing with the death of a senior love dobe & your most vulnerable
I was hoping the reality of your purchase (not adoption, I know & you do now), would not be rubbed the wrong way.
Next time you will be armed with more & much info, but for now, you have a baby to raise with love forever.

My wife forwarded me this link, of a very old video...it is a classic (that many here can relate to):
- I am even old enough, to witness it live, on TV
Jimmy Stewart Reads a Poem About His Dog Beau on "The Tonight
Jimmy Stewart Reads a Poem About His Dog Beau on "The Tonight Show" - Johnny Carson - 1981 - YouTube

I am personally SORRY (given the circumstances):
That your new puppies happiness, has been shot down...but life is about learning, from others....so stay here.
- enjoy your fur-baby to the fullest, and post stories/photos of your pride & joy girl

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Very pretty little girl. I am sorry to hear about your recent loss.
Hope you stick around and let us see pics of her growing up. Best of Luck.
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