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Whats wrong with leaving dogs outside? i use to have a German Shepherd and he did fine living outside, i dont see why he has to give up his dog, but thats my opinion
you have to consider the psychological impact of leaving a dobe outside - and most dogs (hint: domesticated dogs) outside. There is yard dog psychology. A dobe in particular will not thrive being isolated outside. This Taz person sounds like a young person still dependent on parents for life and my opinion they will setting themself and the pup up for a life of dysfunctionality from having a yard dobe. IF they keep the dog and IF they throw it outside, I'll take wagers now in 6 months, 1 year, 2 years - we'll be getting posts from taz of all the problems he/she is having with the dysfunctional dog from being left outside. Dobermans are not suitable yard dogs. They are too mentally active and will seek out ways to aleviate boredom and to self-stimulate and those ways probably won't be pleasing to the homeowner or neighbors - fence running, barking all the time, destructiveness, aggressiveness... so add that to the future posts - how now they have animal control threatening to take the dog away due to complaints.
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Keeping the dog because of how attached YOU are to it is selfish IMO. Im trying to be gentle about it- but that really is what it boils down to.

If I was in a situation where it was better for Wyatt or Razzle to be rehomed- no matter how hard it would be for ME then it would be the right thing to do. Is there trauma involved for the dog in being rehomed? Well way less than being forced to live outside just because you dont want to be 'that guy' that rehomed his dog.

This breed was NEVER created to live outside away from it's human. Period. GSD's and dobermans are miles apart and are an apples to oranges comparisson.

IDK how old you are- but make a grown up decision. Work with a rescue to do what is right for your dog. Wouldnt you rather picture him a year from now with an awesome family, curled up on a couch somewhere, inside with nice blankies - vs outside?

CA has all sorts of weather- the mornings can be pretty chilly. I know because ive worked there- and that is in Irvine. If I need a sweater in the AM - then so will a dobe if they're LIVING in it 100% of the time... not to mention that it does rain, wind does blow.... etc. Being forced to seek shelter in a smelly small dog house would suck.
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Whats wrong with leaving dogs outside? i use to have a German Shepherd and he did fine living outside, i dont see why he has to give up his dog, but thats my opinion


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honestly i think you guys are all a little TOO extreme and a little crazy. You guys are telling me that I have to give up my dog because he cannot live INSIDE my house? I have a huge fenced yard. I live in Los Angeles so the whether is pretty much 70-80deg most of the year. my dog goes with me everywhere. He might be alone for a few hours during the day, and when he sleeps..thats about it. So thanks for all the advice but I don't think im giving up my dog because its going to be SOOO horrible that he lives outside alone for a few hours a day and hes going to be a aggressive dysfunctional dog..I think hell be just fine.
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Iv lived in a guest house behind my house, So taz can stay inside with me and sleeps in his crate inside. But I have to move into the main house and my mom will not let me have my dog inside. What should i do! Fence up an area for him outside and get a dog house? Can dobremans survive outside?
( there is not way to change my moms mind )
Well then I would suggest to go find your own place to rent.
Dobermans do not do well outside.

Dobermans are a short-coated breed, which means that there is NO CHOICE as to where he will stay. The Doberman is a HOUSE dog and cannot survive being in the cold or heat. Because his ears are erect and very thin, it is important to make sure he is not outside for long periods of time where he could get "frost bite" on the tips, or worse. If you live in a very cold climate part of the year, this is something to consider and be prepared for. Also, the heat is a problem, as he has very short and thin coat around the ears and muzzle, which can sunburn and blister.
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thanks for the advice, but im not going to give my dog away because he cant live inside my house? I live in CA so the wheather is nice. I will go through as many options as i can before making him live outside. But im not going to give him up because he has to.
That's great that you live in California - but you do realize the heat is bad for a Doberman to be outside in all day as well too, right? (Read my above post).
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ohhhhh..... you live in LA.... I missed that... well that just changes the whole picture. I am so sorry!!! Sheesh, you know, anywhere else - my first response stands - but LA... that is perfect. Leave the dog outside to soak up the rays, enjoy the smog, possibly get stolen by some hoody, or poisoned by an irate neighbor... man if I lived in LA, I'd want to stay out in the yard myself too all the good weather and stuff. Houses are so over-rated. Carry on.
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honestly i think you guys are all a little TOO extreme and a little crazy. You guys are telling me that I have to give up my dog because he cannot live INSIDE my house? I have a huge fenced yard. I live in Los Angeles so the whether is pretty much 70-80deg most of the year. my dog goes with me everywhere. He might be alone for a few hours during the day, and when he sleeps..thats about it. So thanks for all the advice but I don't think im giving up my dog because its going to be SOOO horrible that he lives outside alone for a few hours a day and hes going to be a aggressive dysfunctional dog..I think hell be just fine.
You are thinking like an ignorant fool if you believe this.

Dobermanns are a very special breed. They are meant to live inside with the family. They are prone to so many illnesses and they really suffer physically and mentally from being left outside to their own devices for hours on end, everyday.

What would you do if your dog got a twig stuck in his mouth/throat? What would you do if he got an obstruction from a toy that you left out for him to chew to bits? Emergency $2500 surgeries are not fun.

What about fence aggression/trolling? The parents to my Dober are what I would consider in the same condition as you are describing, yet NOBODY can even approach the area outside their home (even just across the street) without them starting up a little tif behind their fence. The male has broken through that fence more than once!

What about your neighbours? I've had friends lose dogs to poisoned meat, antifreeze, etc or get injured by dangerous "toys" thrown over the fence (think potato with nails sticking out of it).

We're not saying that you can't let your dog outside for a couple hours to play, but personally I never allow my boys outside unsupervised, that is just asking for trouble, in my opinion. I do not feel I am being overprotective or anything like that, I just love and treasure my dogs and would die inside to see them come to any sort of harm.

I do not think a Dobermann should be left outside to their own devices. Its not a life that is conducive to their wellbeing mentally. I especially do not think that a dobermann could cope with the extreme temperature changes that go from night to day and even season to season. I can't fathom why anyone would keep a dog when they knew that it would be best to rehome the animal into a situation where they will be given the love and attention they deserve and need, you cannot do that with a dobermann that is forced to live outside 24/7.

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So if you already knew what you were going to do why ask all these questions?just do what u want .like you were going to do no matter what .right ?they were only giving you suggestions .and i also think they are right. So maybe im crazy too
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CASH you're wrong- its not a 'few hours' - the op is talking about his dog LIVING outside. Is not allowed inside. Ever. End of story. ZERO sense in owning a dog to make it live outside-

People are soooo selfish that they really delude themselves into thinking its best to keep the dog in bad conditions (i'm sorry... summers in LA are hot as hell) vs doing the right thing for the dog. And plus it irks me when people pretend to post for actual advice vs validation of what they've already decided to do
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You are thinking like an ignorant fool if you believe this.

Dobermanns are a very special breed. They are meant to live inside with the family. They are prone to so many illnesses and they really suffer physically and mentally from being left outside to their own devices for hours on end, everyday.

What would you do if your dog got a twig stuck in his mouth/throat? What would you do if he got an obstruction from a toy that you left out for him to chew to bits? Emergency $2500 surgeries are not fun.

What about fence aggression/trolling? The parents to my Dober are what I would consider in the same condition as you are describing, yet NOBODY can even approach the area outside their home (even just across the street) without them starting up a little tif behind their fence. The male has broken through that fence more than once!

What about your neighbours? I've had friends lose dogs to poisoned meat, antifreeze, etc or get injured by dangerous "toys" thrown over the fence (think potato with nails sticking out of it).

We're not saying that you can't let your dog outside for a couple hours to play, but personally I never allow my boys outside unsupervised, that is just asking for trouble, in my opinion. I do not feel I am being overprotective or anything like that, I just love and treasure my dogs and would die inside to see them come to any sort of harm.

I do not think a Dobermann should be left outside to their own devices. Its not a life that is conducive to their wellbeing mentally. I especially do not think that a dobermann could cope with the extreme temperature changes that go from night to day and even season to season. I can't fathom why anyone would keep a dog when they knew that it would be best to rehome the animal into a situation where they will be given the love and attention they deserve and need, you cannot do that with a dobermann that is forced to live outside 24/7.
BINGO! We have a winner! Thanks Casandra. I was thinking about this also. Growing up, we woke up to 2 dead dog's 2 different times. They were both outside dog's. We had a big, securely fenced yard to. We have no idea if they were poisoned, bloated, ate something they shouldn't have, etc. I was also thinking about the OP's dog being outside and if he got sick or started to bloat, especially at night, the OP would never know it, and couldn't get to the vet. They'd just wake up to a very sick or possibly dead dog. I had to sign something on our contract that stated I would not let the dog live outdoors, when I purchased our girl. I NEVER even leave ours out to use the bathroom unsupervised! Anyway, great post Casandra!
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I'm wondering--you say the dog goes with you everywhere you go. It's darn HOT in the summer in LA--do you leave him in the car? My dogs go with me whenever I can make it work, but there are times when the weather just doesn't allow me to take them.

I would like to point out, too, that you say the dog is alone when he sleeps--I'm assuming that means that he would be alone during the time YOU sleep too. And when you eat--that accounts for probably at least 11 hours a day, minimum. Dogs don't sleep in one long chunk the way most people do; they get up and wander around and then curl up again for more snoozing. If he were in the house with you, you would have some awareness (with a groggy mind) what he is doing and whether he needs your help. In the yard, he would be alone during those times you're asleep for the night.

It gets to be fatally easy, also, to leave the dog to his own devices more and more--human nature--people start to find that it seems easier to just leave him in the backyard than bring him along--there's always an excuse why, THIS time, it's better to leave him at home, and before you know it, he IS spending most of his time alone.

One of the main reasons I will never have an outside dog, though, is that the two of you are just not as close as you could be. Because they don't spend as much of their lives with you when they're outside, they're not as attuned to spoken language; they don't have as much experience reading your emotions; they have their own concerns in the outside world that don't involve you--I've just found that their relationship with you is changed, in a negative way.
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When i had a German Shepherd it wasnt mine it was my parents, well they left him outside, we live in Los Angeles too haha, but he did well, he was the sweetest dog you would ever meet, but since i got my dobe i read that they need to be indoor so he is with me most of the time, but my question is what would happen if a dobe lives outside compare to a German Shepherd, mentally?
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Mentally - a shephard is just that- a dog that was bred to be outside and keep watch over something. THink of it this way... GSD is a perimeter protector a doberman is a personal protector. Can't protect your person if youre outside- they're mentally stressed out being separated from people and can act out. (my dad was a GSD K9 cop back in the day) While I personally wouldnt have ANY dog to be left outside to LIVE - if for some reason someone put a gun to my head to make me pick a breed to live outside- there are just dogs that were bred to hold up to the elements better than a dobe. If the dobe was meant to be outside- you better beleive they would have had the coats for it.
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Whats wrong with leaving dogs outside? i use to have a German Shepherd and he did fine living outside, i dont see why he has to give up his dog, but thats my opinion
Because dobermans are "people oriented" dogs. They need to be with their family or temperament/emotional issues will ensue. Its unfair to put a dobe in a yard and only play with him a few times a day because when you aren't outside that dobe will feel like you are abandoning him.
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i have both GSD and Dobe and i wont have my dog living outside 24/7.
Why get a dog in the first place, if he wont be with you???


TAz you never said if you can't stay where you at right now or maybe find another place to live and why your mom don't want the dog in the house. he is to used to be with you, you just can't him put outside because your mom dosen't like it, didn't she know about it ??

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Why get a dog in the first place, if he wont be with you???


TAz you never said if you can't stay where you at right now or maybe find another place to live and why your mom don't want the dog in the house. he is to used to be with you, you just can't him put outside because your mom dosen't like it, didn't she know about it ??
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