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Old 11-26-2009, 08:18 PM Thread Starter
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So I have a 4 year old Boston Terrier, but when we got him he was almost 5 months.. so the biting stage was over.
Now my 9 week old Doberman is driving me crazy. (although i do still love him to death). He nips all the time.. is there any sure fire way to fix this?
ALSO... I have been noticing within the last 2 days that when he plays tug of war with my boston he growls a lot.. almost sounding kind of aggressive.. this scares me because I have never had a large breed dog and I certainly don't want any aggressive behaviour from a dog his size..
help!
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Growling while playing is just vocalizing. Nipping at you needs to be addressed through training, the Dobermann is not a large breed dog, if your afraid, you need a trainer to show you methods for teaching and correcting. He's teething so it's very normal that he is acting this way. You do need help because you don't understand these basic behaviors. Find a good trainer in your area so you can gain some basic knowledge of dogs. Von.
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He is very cute.. I envy you those puppy days.....kinda.

Nothing you've described sounds out of the ordinary for a Doberman Puppy.

I agree, that some training classes with a trainer will help you understand these normal behaviors, better.

The only concern I would have is that you're scared of this little puppy. More knowledge on your part will help settle that down.

Good luck. Nothing more fun than a Doberman puppy.



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lots of dogs are vocal when playing, I wouldn't worry about that, but as he grows and it larger than the boston, you will need to monitor their playing to make sure he isn't being to rough for the smaller dog.
nipping is normal, and annoying, tell him no when he does it to you and redirect him, give him things he can chew. If the nip is hard, I make noises that let them know they have hurt me, they can be sensitive to this and pick up on what they are doing.
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Growling while playing is just vocalizing. Nipping at you needs to be addressed through training, the Dobermann is not a large breed dog, if your afraid, you need a trainer to show you methods for teaching and correcting. He's teething so it's very normal that he is acting this way. You do need help because you don't understand these basic behaviors. Find a good trainer in your area so you can gain some basic knowledge of dogs. Von.

While I appreciate your feedback, I do feel that you misread what I was saying. I do understand dogs basic behaviour, but the type of growling is not what one would normally hear from a puppy. I think in the future your opinion would be more appreciated were it not judgemental and patronizing.
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What do you do when he nips you?
I have tried a few things thus far that do seem to help a bit, but he doesn't seem to understand so well. One thing I am trying is to hold his mouth closed when he nips and say "no bite" while looking him in the eye. He submits to that without much fight, so I am hoping that maybe it will help with time. Do you have any suggestions that may be more effective?
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He is very cute.. I envy you those puppy days.....kinda.

Nothing you've described sounds out of the ordinary for a Doberman Puppy.

I agree, that some training classes with a trainer will help you understand these normal behaviors, better.

The only concern I would have is that you're scared of this little puppy. More knowledge on your part will help settle that down.

Good luck. Nothing more fun than a Doberman puppy.
Thanks for responding. I do plan on getting him in obedience classes once he's a little older and a little better at understanding what's being asked of him. I have started seperating the dogs from the rope when he gets growling too much and this seems to settle them down, and hopefully he will eventually learn that I am telling him that behaviour is not going to be accepted. But certainly a trainer would be able to help me further.
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lots of dogs are vocal when playing, I wouldn't worry about that, but as he grows and it larger than the boston, you will need to monitor their playing to make sure he isn't being to rough for the smaller dog.
nipping is normal, and annoying, tell him no when he does it to you and redirect him, give him things he can chew. If the nip is hard, I make noises that let them know they have hurt me, they can be sensitive to this and pick up on what they are doing.
be consistent and patient.
Thanks, I hadn't considered making a noise when the nip is hard to let him know it is hurting. I will give that a try!
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Patronizing? I don't know you, I have no idea how you would handle my offering, so I hesitate to give you advice. Try grabbing him by the scruff of the neck and just hold him steady, then explain that this behavior is not acceptable. The compulsion is honest, your emotions while explaining the behavior you want is too. Being straight forward eliminates BS, thats my advice to you I'm not being judgemental. Straight no nonsense action is what pups understand, not being cruel or rash, be honest and use positive energy, thats what dogs understand. Good luck. Von.
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Hey!
So I have a 4 year old Boston Terrier, but when we got him he was almost 5 months.. so the biting stage was over.
Now my 9 week old Doberman is driving me crazy. (although i do still love him to death). He nips all the time.. is there any sure fire way to fix this?
ALSO... I have been noticing within the last 2 days that when he plays tug of war with my boston he growls a lot.. almost sounding kind of aggressive.. this scares me because I have never had a large breed dog and I certainly don't want any aggressive behaviour from a dog his size..
help!
I am in the same position as you- I have a 10 week old super bitey Doberpup. She has a chew on your hands every time you try pat her, it's driving us crazy! What we have found that works is saying "no" and initially redirecting the biting to an appropriate toy and if she continues biting hands just stop moving the hand around and give a very sharp "AH!" or something similar, and making yourself more imposing by moving above the pup quickly. Our girl will stop right away and maybe start licking the hands which we then reward (if you don't like licky dogs then I would avoid getting them into a licky habit, we don't mind licking )


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Hey!
So I have a 4 year old Boston Terrier, but when we got him he was almost 5 months.. so the biting stage was over.
Now my 9 week old Doberman is driving me crazy. (although i do still love him to death). He nips all the time.. is there any sure fire way to fix this?
ALSO... I have been noticing within the last 2 days that when he plays tug of war with my boston he growls a lot.. almost sounding kind of aggressive.. this scares me because I have never had a large breed dog and I certainly don't want any aggressive behaviour from a dog his size..
help!
I don't think the growling during play is aggressive. I've never seen an aggressive 9-week old puppy (of any breed). The growling is just your puppy really getting into play and vocalizing it. If you don't like it, sure, you can stop the play, but please don't make the mistake of thinking your pup is showing signs of aggression. Here are a couple of other threads about "aggressive puppies" that you might enjoy reading through (you might be able to relate to their frustrations)...

https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...ggressive.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...ng-normal.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...k-breeder.html



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My pup was about 5 1/2 months old before this nippy behavior stopped. I just said "No!" every time, and redirected. It seemed like it would never end, but eventually she quit. As far as the growling goes, my girl is VERY vocal. It does sound bad, but for her it is normal. I have always had GSD's and Akitas, before dobies, and I will say that dobies are as different from them as night and day. Everyone on here has given you good advice, they know what they are talking about. Good luck with your pup, it will turn out fine. Just keep at it.

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yeah.. i done all the above suggestions which are very effective for my pup. i missed those puppy days too...

When he nips,
redirect him to his toys and praise him for playing with it.
Hold his muzzle firm and say 'No' and grabbing him by the scruff of the neck, say 'No" works well too.
Eventually he will grow out of this behaviour.
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While I appreciate your feedback, I do feel that you misread what I was saying. I do understand dogs basic behaviour, but the type of growling is not what one would normally hear from a puppy. I think in the future your opinion would be more appreciated were it not judgemental and patronizing.
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I have to say that I was agreeing with what advice Von had given you, I am a bit confused as to your response to advice from someone who is very experienced with dogs as a whole and is a good trainer who was giving you no nonsense straight forward advice on your situation. I also after reading your post, (and from what I read others thought the same as well) thought that you did not have a good understanding of dog behaviors, and I would have given you similar advice, as others already have. as has already been stated, a 9 week old puppy is not growling with aggression, they are vocalizing in a play role. this is how puppies learn and express themselves. Have you ever heard people playing tug of war? they growl and grunt in their own ways, this is the same for dogs, the only difference is that a doberman or other working breed dog may have a more vocal growl during this, than lets say a small breed dog like your boston. I would also suggest finding a trainer in your area to work with on how to start training, and how to redirect the nipping, Unfortunately nipping is a normal part of puppyhood, as they do it with other dogs and puppies regularly since dogs dont have hands they do everything with their mouths. Again as is alread stated, redirect, and/or yelp loudly and sharply when they do it, this will usually get them to stop, as they think they have hurt you and thats not their intention.


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Hey there,

I laughed when i saw this post because it's the same thing i just joined this forum for. I knew getting into it that nipping would be a problem just before i got the dog and now i'm dealing with it.. and BOY is it frustrating and it sure does hurt those teeth are sharp lol.

I have been finding a be all to end all solution but i have not found it yet lol, i think just consistancy telling them no is the only way to really lay the groundwork.

I have tried:
-sticking my finger under her tougne (dosnt work she just bites my hand harder_
-holding her mouth closed (after i release she just goes back to the hand)
-redirection (give her something else to chew on seems to be the best solution but a minute or so after she gets bored and goes back to my hand which than i'll get frustrated with and put her on the floor)
-Yuck Bite (it's a gross tasting stuff you put on your hands.. cost me 12$ and has a 100% satisfied guarantee sticker on it.... i put it on.. and she licked it off lol)

I have been reading alot and those are really the only options i have read about.. and tried and none work, i dont think there is a sure way to stop it.. just gotta put up with it and be consistant with saying no.. and redirection
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Your dobe puppy is normal. Just don't give up on saying "no bite" and redirecting, because at times it will seem like a never-ending battle. Then you'll think your pup has stopped nipping, and then all of a sudden there he goes again! Bella just about drove us crazy and I thought she would never get better. Reading stuff here on DT made me realize that she is just a normal dobe, though. It will get a lot better when your pup loses those sharp little needles called puppy teeth. Our girl is 8 months old and sometimes still gets her mouth on our hands, but she doesn't bite down anymore...well, usually she doesn't. We still tell her "no bite" and hold her mouth shut. We're still working, but it does get better!!!

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I have had dobe pups in the past but my most recent has been quite the vocal / biting little monster (I say that with love.)
Desperate for an affective way to avert his biting I hired a trainer. One thing he told me that was key in getting Doc to stop biting / nipping was to not engage in any physical activity with him when he started biting... meaning don't hold his muzzle shut, don't scruff him by the back of the neck but to make a sharp, high pitched sound then give him a toy. If he doesn't accept the toy and insists on biting, then to stand up and end play time or to walk away.
This has worked for me.
In the past I have always had success with the sharp, high pitched noise and re-directing the biting but what was absolutely essential with little guy was the lack of touching or physical contact. I had problems with him producing a demanding bark to try and get any response from me, be it negative or positive and passive dominance (ignoring) worked for a while, then he started biting. I would just stand up and walk away. Eventually he got it. I must say that I was skeptical, but after a few weeks he really got it. Now on occasion he will bark and I will just give him the stink eye and he grumbles and walks away from me.
So to sum ALL of that up, if your pup won't' stop biting, abstain from any physical contact when the "bad" behavior is being observed. Some puppies get riled up by being touched!

As far as the growling goes, I would not be afraid! Some of my dobes were very vocal and insisted on growling while playing, especially tug of war!
If you really don't like it then I would try and find a trainer who can help you correct it. I honestly wouldn't know where to start for that.
My pup is VERY vocal! He is always growling, which I call "grumbling" and will often do it if you talk to him. I would definitely not consider it aggressive in anyway!

I wish you the best of luck! I love puppies but MAN are they A LOT of work!
But it's well worth it

Oh... on a side note, my pup's trainer said we could spray bitter apple all over our hands and arms to see if that would help deter the biting... we didn't have to go there but I just wanted to throw that in for you.

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I'm with Nicklefire! Same issues with my puppy as well (See my previous "Help!" threads), lol. DT is such a great site as we can get different feedbacks and tips, not to mention good articles too... For us young pup owners - THERE IS HOPE! It just takes alot of patience. I thought I had tried everything with my pup (Same exact points that Nicklefire mentioned). For a while I did the "can with pennies in it" which worked but then he overcame that. The redirect was a temporary thing too (he would just jump back onto my arm). My arms and hands looked like I could've been a druggie. After speaking with a trainer (and showing him my arms), he suggested a spray bottle with 50/50 water and lemon juice, adjusting accordingly of course. His reason was bc the redirect didnt help and bc the dog needed to be corrected, but not in a way to hurt him or his temperment. So I just tried this method (100% water) and its working so far. Granted this was my last option after all my previous attempts have failed.
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One thing he told me that was key in getting Doc to stop biting / nipping was to not engage in any physical activity with him when he started biting... meaning don't hold his muzzle shut, don't scruff him by the back of the neck but to make a sharp, high pitched sound then give him a toy. If he doesn't accept the toy and insists on biting, then to stand up and end play time or to walk away. This has worked for me.

I would just stand up and walk away. Eventually he got it.

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I have a 4 month old female Doberpup and my experience has been very similar. She is very vocal and very mouthy. If someone unfamiliar with Dobermans heard her playing they would probably think she is an aggressive beast! LOL. We tried most of the techniques suggested within this thread. She has gotten significantly better though so have faith! I think the key is consistency and repetition.

If Lucy is with us on the couch I always make sure I have multiple toys and chewable things (hoofs, bully sticks, etc) literally on my lap and ready to shove in her mouth at any moment! We are constantly redirecting. However, when she really goes over the top I have found that the approach mentioned above seems to help. I will turn my back and leave the room for a couple minutes (basically go to the other side of the puppy gate dividing the kitchen/family room) and she seems to get the picture. Previously I would sometimes go to reach for her as she was jumping around trying to "attack" my arm - she thought it was all a big game and great fun! My moving around contributed to that. Walking out of the room has more impact.

The other thing we've been working on is teaching her to "settle". Ian Dunbar talks about this in his puppy books and here is a link I just found on the internet in case you are not familiar with it. When Lucy gets super riled up I will use the "settle" command as kind of a time out for a few minutes (even just a few seconds sometimes) and then resume play on my own terms. I think she is starting to get that too. This has even been helpful when out walking or during puppy class when she starts to get worked up.

Dog training: Settle down | Dog Time - Master trainer Ian Dunbar on how to calm your dog

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Hey!
So I have a 4 year old Boston Terrier, but when we got him he was almost 5 months.. so the biting stage was over.
Now my 9 week old Doberman is driving me crazy. (although i do still love him to death). He nips all the time.. is there any sure fire way to fix this?
ALSO... I have been noticing within the last 2 days that when he plays tug of war with my boston he growls a lot.. almost sounding kind of aggressive.. this scares me because I have never had a large breed dog and I certainly don't want any aggressive behaviour from a dog his size..
help!
I have a 12week old who nips, bites, and when we yell ouch, or NO!, or whatever, he starts to bark and jump. This is purlely puppy behavior, but it was causing us some concern. I called the breeder yesterday,and she told me to put coins in a can and shake it. Well, rather than coins, I had some glass pebbles (for fish bowl); I put them in a can and shook it when Basie tried to nip and let me tell you: it is over...he got so scared and ran away. Since this morning (first time I tried it) he has been listening to "No", "stay" "sit"...everthing. I am amazed and thrilled...it is like having a new puppy. I am sure the sound is quite loud and grating, so I do not plan to use it near his ears, but is has worked...in one day, I have a new boy. Try it....
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Max growls like he is killing something when he plays tug but he IS only playing.
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If you look under search at the top of the page put puppy biting you will find allot of information.
Also look up male on male aggression with Dobermans I fear your Boston maybe in deep trouble when you male Doberman reaches the age of about 3 years old I hope not but you should be aware what might happen.I'm surprised your breeder did not tell you this about male Dobermans. A sexually mature male Doberman intact or not may fight with another male dog does not matter if they have been raised together or not.Some fight to the death a few experinced dog people do have males but they know the signs to watch for with the dogs body language.Good Luck with your Fur Kids.
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Hello DieselsMom
Thank you for your post. I am a new member as I have a 9 week old beautiful dob and he is showing the same behaviour as was yours at that age. I am practicing the same technicques as you have, the loud and stern NO when nipping followed with the closing of his mouth.
I have had him for 2 weeks and can say that I have noticed some improvement however I am not completely satisfied with his progress.
Do you feel that at this point, considering your dob is now almost 2 years old, has the nipping stopped? was this technique form for puppy effective? is there anything that you would have changed or done differently?
I just hope Im not being too hard on myself and Cheeky, expecting no puppy nipping at only 9 weeks of age.
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redirect, redirect, redirect....with a toy. keep everything positive, he's a baby.

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Hello DieselsMom
Thank you for your post. I am a new member as I have a 9 week old beautiful dob and he is showing the same behaviour as was yours at that age. I am practicing the same technicques as you have, the loud and stern NO when nipping followed with the closing of his mouth.
I have had him for 2 weeks and can say that I have noticed some improvement however I am not completely satisfied with his progress.
Do you feel that at this point, considering your dob is now almost 2 years old, has the nipping stopped? was this technique form for puppy effective? is there anything that you would have changed or done differently?
I just hope Im not being too hard on myself and Cheeky, expecting no puppy nipping at only 9 weeks of age.

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