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well thanks for the replies everyone, that was quick. here is my only issue with some of the breeders that i've found around here in missouri, they all want $1,500+ for a dob. I've done searched every place around KC. I simply just can't afford to put out that much money on a pet. if I was rich, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I live paycheck to paycheck as it is.
does anyone know of a better place to get a good dob for less than $1,500?
And still, if I were to end up with one that doesn't have the ears cropped, any recommendations on where I could go to have that done with superb quality?
Yeah, I'm glad I came across this site too....I've already found alot of helpful info!
If you can't afford the initial expense you are setting yourself up for a world of heartbreak. Buying from a breeder that does no health testing should send all kinds of warnings to you. A good breeder should have the pups ears cropped when he/she is handed to you.

Dobe's are not cheap dogs. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. I would recommend talking to a rescue. There are so many wonderful Dobe's that need a home. No one needs to support a Greeder.
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well thanks for the replies everyone, that was quick. here is my only issue with some of the breeders that i've found around here in missouri, they all want $1,500+ for a dob. I've done searched every place around KC. I simply just can't afford to put out that much money on a pet. if I was rich, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I live paycheck to paycheck as it is.
does anyone know of a better place to get a good dob for less than $1,500?
And still, if I were to end up with one that doesn't have the ears cropped, any recommendations on where I could go to have that done with superb quality?
Yeah, I'm glad I came across this site too....I've already found alot of helpful info!
You could try a rescue group for a younger adult. This way you save a dog and will have the dobe you want without the large expense up front. You would also save your pocket on pup shots and back up ear visits also.

But even if you get a dobe for lets say $1,000 - you will have to add on about 400-500 even more sometimes for the crop. So you will still be paying the premium in the end. Either way- hope you find what you are looking for.

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Good vet

All my puppies come cropped by Dr. Becker at Indpendence Animal hospital. He does a very nice crop. Truly though a good breeder does the ears so the family who is usually inexpereinced does not have to go through dealing with things that they are not familiar with. It makes it much harder on the puppy and the new owner.

I would ask some hard questions regarding titling and health testing. Does not appear to be first class from the web site. I would have concerns.


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Hello everyone, I am going to be getting my first Doberman puppy in about two months and I have some questions for anyone who has had experience with Dobermans. I live in Kansas City, Missouri:

1. Does anyone know of a top notch vet in this area who does a great job on cropping ears? this is my biggest fear with getting this puppy. Iíve seen some butchered ears on Dobermans before and DO NOT want that to happen to me. Iím willing to drive a little ways out and pay what itís worth to have the ears done right, and look perfect. Looking at the following link, Iím wanting the medium crop. Or maybe, slightly between the medium and the show crop. I want them to look good and be proportionate with the head and overall appearance of the dog. Hereís the link: The Doberman

2. This is where I plan to get my pup from, does anyone know, or has anyone had any experience with this kennel? DVR Kennels - Home They are located in Tennessee.

3. And last but not leastÖ..any suggestions on an intimidating name? Iíve searched all over and just havenít seen many names that seem to hit me just right. The ones I have so far are Justice, Tank, and Duke. Duke doesnít sound that intimidating to me, but Iím starting to get stuck on it for some reason.

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well thanks for the replies everyone, that was quick. here is my only issue with some of the breeders that i've found around here in missouri, they all want $1,500+ for a dob. I've done searched every place around KC. I simply just can't afford to put out that much money on a pet. if I was rich, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I live paycheck to paycheck as it is.
does anyone know of a better place to get a good dob for less than $1,500?
And still, if I were to end up with one that doesn't have the ears cropped, any recommendations on where I could go to have that done with superb quality?
Yeah, I'm glad I came across this site too....I've already found alot of helpful info!
Bold emphasis, mine.

Boy, I'd sure reconsider owning a Doberman, if that is truly the case. Dobermans are quite expensive to own and to responsibly care for.

If you know going in that you can't afford to purchase from a reputable breeder, perhaps you might want to consider waiting until you can 'do it right', instead of forcing the fit and purchasing and supporting a less than reputable breeder that really do harm to the breed, which I am sure is something someone like yourself would not want to do.

It is less expensive, in the long run to purchase from a reputable breeder, as the vet expenses that are incurred from a purchase from a BYB can add up into the thousands pretty rapidly, due to unknown and unseen medical difficulties that are breeding related.

So, really; Buyer Beware! $1500.-$2000. is about right, from reputable breeder.

Please stay with us. This site can be very helpful. It sure has been to me.



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I agree with others that it sounds like you may not be financially prepared/settled enough to incur the costs of owning a Doberman. They're not exactly a "wash-n-wear" type breed cost wise so if you're living paycheck to paycheck it doesn't sound like you have a good amount of money sitting around for extra expenses from month to month. That would be a concern for me. Especially raising a puppy. Puppy's are expensive, no if's and's or but's.

However, if you'd like to reconsider that BYB because you're still set on getting a pup, I would like to agree with what others have said and recommend you get in touch with Ali of Old Drum Dobermans. I have a 6-month old red girl from her and can't say enough good things about Ali and her dogs. She does ALL health testing, titles and works her dogs, and has always answered any question I've ever came to her with. I don't believe she's having another litter until 2010 but now would be a great time to contact her and start learning some more about the breed.

Another idea, sometimes breeders will have dogs they're needing to rehome because the original owner couldn't keep them for whatever reason. I'm not sure what a typical rehoming fee is from a reputable breeder but you might look into it.

And of course there are some wonderful Doberman rescues in Missouri with great dogs waiting to find forever homes.

Whatever you do decide - whether it's to wait until you're more financially stable and get a puppy, adopt a rescue, buy a rehomed puppy/dog...just know that Dobermans are expensive and you will need to be prepared to spend some money just to support one no matter where the dog comes from.



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Whatever you decide look into pet insurance if you don't have a cash reserve for emergencies. I pay $45/month with Trupanion.

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Great comments as always from the forum. I agree with all the others about rescuing, especially in these economic conditions. We got our Gunner through Florida Doberman Rescue and it was obvious that he was a most-loved dog. He was just a year old and his family had to give him up because they lost their home and had to move in with a relative that said "NO DOG"...

Their loss has been our joy.

Then we added the Piper to our home, another rescue and she was only 8 weeks old.

Frankly, puppies are only puppies for a short time and getting a temperament-tested and fully vetted rescue dog is a wonderful thing for all parties involved.

I can say now that I will continue to rescue Dobies for the remainder of my time here on this earth. I know that a few of them will be waiting for me when I too go home.


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well thanks for the replies everyone, that was quick. here is my only issue with some of the breeders that i've found around here in missouri, they all want $1,500+ for a dob. I've done searched every place around KC. I simply just can't afford to put out that much money on a pet. if I was rich, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I live paycheck to paycheck as it is.
does anyone know of a better place to get a good dob for less than $1,500?
And still, if I were to end up with one that doesn't have the ears cropped, any recommendations on where I could go to have that done with superb quality?
Yeah, I'm glad I came across this site too....I've already found alot of helpful info!
Dobe's are great dogs - you have great taste. However, had I been lucky enough to have found this site before getting dobes I would have listened to the great advice from all it's members. My puppies came to me without ears done. I have had them done, and very happy I did. But all of that aside, if money is an issue when purchasing a puppy, now is not the right time to get one. Not only are the ears expensive to have done (if you want them done right) but these dogs (as well as any dog) require great health care, quality food, and sturdy crates and gates, all of which could set set you back quite a few dollars, and worth every penny. Going to a quality breeder may cost you more to get a dog, but save for it.
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Great comments as always from the forum. I agree with all the others about rescuing, especially in these economic conditions. We got our Gunner through Florida Doberman Rescue and it was obvious that he was a most-loved dog. He was just a year old and his family had to give him up because they lost their home and had to move in with a relative that said "NO DOG"...

Their loss has been our joy.

Then we added the Piper to our home, another rescue and she was only 8 weeks old.

Frankly, puppies are only puppies for a short time and getting a temperament-tested and fully vetted rescue dog is a wonderful thing for all parties involved.

I can say now that I will continue to rescue Dobies for the remainder of my time here on this earth. I know that a few of them will be waiting for me when I too go home.
Nothing like an adult dog who settles in without you having to run around after it, cleaning up, training it to go outside, etc. It can seem like it will never end.

I've been on the receiving end of pups and adults:

Duke is 9 months, and he can about make us crazy on some days!

Sofi was 9 months when we rescued her, and soon after my dad stayed here for a few days. He arrived with a belt and left with only a belt buckle. She at the entire leather belt!

Sterling at 4 years walked into our lives and was a perfect gentleman every day thereafter.

Finley was 10 or 11 years, and he was just the best.

I was much like the OP on this thread. I called a couple of breeders in the Valley, and they said $1500.00, and I couldn't believe it! Both pointed me to rescue, and it has changed our lives!

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Well, all these good folks have said all that I would have and more.
If you are living paycheck to paycheck, trust us that you can't afford a dog - much less a Doberman. You will kick yourself for not listening, and then hate yourself if you have to give him up.

If you can't go to a breeder like ODD or Kansadobe or other highly reputable and trustworthy breeder - please don't get a puppy! We lost 2 beautiful, wonderful, beloved Dobes in 1 year, both only barely 6 years old, to cardiomyopathy - they basically dropped dead. We have 2 more from the same lines, they are 6, and we live in dread.

They NEED their people, so you have to spend a LOT of time with them - they need training, play, socialization - they don't want to be left alone all day, and can become destructive, anxious, melancholy and wild. They are truly velcro dogs, and need to be involved.

Also, they have delicate digestive systems - even with top-notch foods, many of them have gas that will melt your brain. You need to feed them good stuff, not Ol' Roy or Shoprite brand. They can get all sorts of orthopedic stuff... well, the point is, if you really want a Dobe, and think you can devote all the time, energy - and money!!! - to having one - rescue a youngster - he'll thank you in more ways than you can imagine.


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well thanks for the replies everyone, that was quick. here is my only issue with some of the breeders that i've found around here in missouri, they all want $1,500+ for a dob. I've done searched every place around KC. I simply just can't afford to put out that much money on a pet. if I was rich, I would do it in a heartbeat, but I live paycheck to paycheck as it is.
does anyone know of a better place to get a good dob for less than $1,500?
And still, if I were to end up with one that doesn't have the ears cropped, any recommendations on where I could go to have that done with superb quality?
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Rescue??? That's cheaper and it gives a dog a great home. When it comes to getting a good dog, don't "settle" for a certain breeder because they charge less. Getting a "cheap" dog could end up costing you a lot more.

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It is simply amazing the crap people will talk about you when never even knowing that person!Ok I will give credit that this was discussed several years ago,but what breeder starts off PERFECT???I came from a not so RICH family and was raised around dobermans from day 1.My mother raised them for 15 years and I learned alot from her,to say the least.I used to visit this forum religiously because I too am a fan of dobies.I do not show my dobies because right now I am a proud parent of 4 young children and between caring for my babies and my dobie babies I dont find time to run to this show or that one.I wish I had the time because it sounds like something I would truley enjoy.I am not trying to be rude but please think before speaking out loud...I am sure most of the people whom commented badly about me did not start off perfect,and I am not a "backyard breeder"Please come see for yourself.You dont know someone unless you truly know them,so don't assume you do.
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So, can I ask what your breeding is contributing to the betterment of Dobermans? What health testing do you do?

A wise old man once told me, "If you can't do it right, you shouldn't do it at all".


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It is simply amazing the crap people will talk about you when never even knowing that person!Ok I will give credit that this was discussed several years ago,but what breeder starts off PERFECT???I came from a not so RICH family and was raised around dobermans from day 1.My mother raised them for 15 years and I learned alot from her,to say the least.I used to visit this forum religiously because I too am a fan of dobies.I do not show my dobies because right now I am a proud parent of 4 young children and between caring for my babies and my dobie babies I dont find time to run to this show or that one.I wish I had the time because it sounds like something I would truley enjoy.I am not trying to be rude but please think before speaking out loud...I am sure most of the people whom commented badly about me did not start off perfect,and I am not a "backyard breeder"Please come see for yourself.You dont know someone unless you truly know them,so don't assume you do.

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It is simply amazing the crap people will talk about you when never even knowing that person!Ok I will give credit that this was discussed several years ago,but what breeder starts off PERFECT???I came from a not so RICH family and was raised around dobermans from day 1.My mother raised them for 15 years and I learned alot from her,to say the least.I used to visit this forum religiously because I too am a fan of dobies.I do not show my dobies because right now I am a proud parent of 4 young children and between caring for my babies and my dobie babies I dont find time to run to this show or that one.I wish I had the time because it sounds like something I would truley enjoy.I am not trying to be rude but please think before speaking out loud...I am sure most of the people whom commented badly about me did not start off perfect,and I am not a "backyard breeder"Please come see for yourself.You dont know someone unless you truly know them,so don't assume you do.
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I am doing what I can when I can.I know its not awsome,but have had two "so far tested for vwd,both have come back clear.Next testing will be done this Summer with my new sire and dam.If I had more money to contribute they would all already be tested,but I am moving at what pace I can right now.I know I am not the best of the best and do not claim to be,but I try to be the best I can be.Every one of my dogs are treated as well as my kids are.Up untill 5 years ago I was a single mother still trying to do what I love (raising these gorgious dogs)and hold down a full time job and support my kids.God has helped me through alot and I am still improving.
As far as kimbertal goes,when I was a child I came across their site and thought this is it....beautifull dogs,I have to have one...Unfortunatly I started reading bad things about them much later.Needless to say I have moved away from that direction and am researching my lines more.But like I have said before,please...get to know someone first before pasing judgement.My dogs are not kept out in small kennels...they each have their own indoor room as well as outdoors with heat/air available,walked and excersized daily.I am sure once I post this several will have something else smart to say,but hey I am just getting my voice heard.
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You say that you don't keep your dogs in kennels but there is a section on your site where you use the word "kennel" to describe the building that your dogs stay in that isnt your house. Honestly, if the doorways were bigger it would look very similar to the stalls at the barn that I ride at...

These are house dogs, family pets. They are called "velcro dogs" for a reason and you keep them in a barn. I saw this part of your site before anything else and I have yet to see the rest of it. I would not buy from you.



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I am doing what I can when I can.I know its not awsome,but have had two "so far tested for vwd,both have come back clear.Next testing will be done this Summer with my new sire and dam.If I had more money to contribute they would all already be tested,but I am moving at what pace I can right now.I know I am not the best of the best and do not claim to be,but I try to be the best I can be.Every one of my dogs are treated as well as my kids are.Up untill 5 years ago I was a single mother still trying to do what I love (raising these gorgious dogs)and hold down a full time job and support my kids.God has helped me through alot and I am still improving.
As far as kimbertal goes,when I was a child I came across their site and thought this is it....beautifull dogs,I have to have one...Unfortunatly I started reading bad things about them much later.Needless to say I have moved away from that direction and am researching my lines more.But like I have said before,please...get to know someone first before pasing judgement.My dogs are not kept out in small kennels...they each have their own indoor room as well as outdoors with heat/air available,walked and excersized daily.I am sure once I post this several will have something else smart to say,but hey I am just getting my voice heard.
It's great that you've moved away from Ktal, but I would suggest that you move away further by spaying and neutering your animals and leave the breeding to people that can do it properly by doing all of the health testing not just the $60 vWD test. More important tests are cardio tests involving holters and echocardiograms. Also, titling animals in something to determine if they are worthy to be bred. There are enough Dobermans in shelters that we don't need people breeding willy nilly and for nothing more than $$

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Well,lol thought I would try to conversate with a few of you and for those that were not si smart I appriciate it...I guess some people you can never get through to.Like talking to a brick wall.I am just thankfull for what I have and know what conditions my pets are kept.lol....barn.Have you been here?Dont think so.Anyhow,thanks agian for those not so smart responces.
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Well,lol thought I would try to conversate with a few of you and for those that were not si smart I appriciate it...I guess some people you can never get through to.Like talking to a brick wall.I am just thankfull for what I have and know what conditions my pets are kept.lol....barn.Have you been here?Dont think so.Anyhow,thanks agian for those not so smart responces.
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And NOT to bring up old stuff, but I just had a question.

DVRKennels, I know that you stated you didn't have enough funds to health test your dogs to the extent you would like or is preferred.

Why instead have you elected to build this elaborate enclosure system for the said dogs without the preferred health testing?

NO animosity intended, just curious.



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G-Rod I adopted and have had zero vet bills and a dog with a gorgeous crop! As well have volunteered for rescue and have seen some amazing dogs. Something to consider if you don't want to spend time saving up for a puppy.
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Well,lol thought I would try to conversate with a few of you and for those that were not si smart I appriciate it...I guess some people you can never get through to.Like talking to a brick wall.I am just thankfull for what I have and know what conditions my pets are kept.lol....barn.Have you been here?Dont think so.Anyhow,thanks agian for those not so smart responces.
Barn/kennel really what's the difference? I was just looking at your site and read this:

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I would suggest bleaching daily if they are defecating in their 'stalls'.



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I am doing what I can when I can.I know its not awsome,but have had two "so far tested for vwd,both have come back clear.Next testing will be done this Summer with my new sire and dam.If I had more money to contribute they would all already be tested,but I am moving at what pace I can right now.I know I am not the best of the best and do not claim to be,but I try to be the best I can be.Every one of my dogs are treated as well as my kids are.Up untill 5 years ago I was a single mother still trying to do what I love (raising these gorgious dogs)and hold down a full time job and support my kids.God has helped me through alot and I am still improving.
As far as kimbertal goes,when I was a child I came across their site and thought this is it....beautifull dogs,I have to have one...Unfortunatly I started reading bad things about them much later.Needless to say I have moved away from that direction and am researching my lines more.But like I have said before,please...get to know someone first before pasing judgement.My dogs are not kept out in small kennels...they each have their own indoor room as well as outdoors with heat/air available,walked and excersized daily.I am sure once I post this several will have something else smart to say,but hey I am just getting my voice heard.
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Well,lol thought I would try to conversate with a few of you and for those that were not si smart I appriciate it...I guess some people you can never get through to.Like talking to a brick wall.I am just thankfull for what I have and know what conditions my pets are kept.lol....barn.Have you been here?Dont think so.Anyhow,thanks agian for those not so smart responces.
Can you tell us ONE thing that your breeding has improved in the doberman breed, or why any of these dogs are worthy of breeding? You say you rotate days to run? So they can run what, every few days they get outside time??? And they live in kennels?? Do you know anything about dobermans basic needs?? Truly absurd... Maybe take your own advice, because I'm sick of talking to brick wall byb's too...

If you can't afford to do all of the propper testing, then don't breed, it's that simple. Also, you say you no longer breed ktal lines... Doesn't your most recent litter have their lines?? Don't try to defend yourself, you're making yourself look worse.
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