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DHPP questions

Our new puppy has had her ( DHPP ) shots. We switched to a more local vet after the last one was too far away and pushing shots,shots and more shots. The local vet said the puppy needs a 4th shot because they were not timed correctly ?

First shot was 6 weeks,second 9 weeks,third was 13 weeks old. New vet says she needs a 4th ?

Is she full of hot air ?

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I wouldn't personally. And definitely space out the rabies vax from everything else.
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I would discuss it more with your new vet. I wouldn't outright disagree with them, but I would want to fully understand their reasoning, personally.

According to the AAHA, core shots can be given beginning at 6 weeks of age and sequential doses can be given at intervals between 2-4 weeks apart until 16 weeks of age. Based on the timeline you provided, I don't see a problem with the intervals at which your pup was vaccinated.

Only dogs considered high risk are recommended to be given an additional (and final) dose around 18-20 weeks of age.



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While Brw1982 is right about the AAHA recommendations on vaccines I'd bet that your new vet is also considering the business of "at risk" breeds. It may not be necessary now as the vaccines themselves are much better than in the past but Dobermans were definitely one of the "at risk" breeds--the fourth vaccine as considered appropriate since sometimes there are still maternal antibodies involved which can interfere with the vaccine working properly.

I believe that parvo is the one of most concern and probably because I've worked in a vet clinic long enough to have seen parvo cases come through our doors with dogs who were supposed to have been fully vaccinated I still give my puppies a fourth vaccine and I generally get puppies from breeders who have given a first vaccine at 6 weeks, I then vaccinate at three or four week intervals--four week intervals would be 10 weeks 14 weeks and 18 weeks and then a booster a year later.

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With coved 19,most vets are curb service-they send someone out for your dog & then return when done. When we tried to talk about the fourth shot,as well as additional shots they want to give,along with rabies, she got her ass up and turned away saying it doesn't matter what your breeder tells you the Dr here says your dog needs another shot. In short,she got pretty huffy about it. Don't know if you people remember Betty Clark from Pa ? We got our first dog from her and now our third puppy was found through Betty. She doesn't breed any more but is a store house of info. Waiting for her to mail me info on this subject also. The vet wants to push shots,lepto and DHPP - fourth dose at same time. We lost our first dobie at 1-1/2 yrs old after a ton of shots a vet was pushing.Within 2 days he was filling up with fluid. The same vet said he had 5 gallons of fluid removed and the nodes or nodules...something with the liver was failing. Up to the day he got all those shots he was fine & healthy. Within a few days after draining the fluid and looking at the liver,he was dead. So, I am gun shy about too many shots and not wanting to do two at same time. Seems every vet we call wants to double up and inject two or more at once. looking to get all the advise and info I can before moving ahead. Thanks for the input.
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Sigh! It's probably a good thing I work for a vet clinic so I don't have to do this kind of song and dance every time I want to do something that isn't exactly what a new vet learned in school.

I give DHPP--generally my breeder would have given the 6 week vaccine. So what I'm going to arrange to have given (at the clinic where I work is DHPP at 10, 14 and 18 weeks.

Our clinic (an AAHA clinic for the record) does not even give vaccines in the parking lot. A Tech is sent by the reception desk out to the parking place where the owner and puppy are. The puppy is carried by the tech from the parking lot through the lobby/reception area into the back treatment area. There the puppy is given the vaccines. Then the receptionist calls the client tells them what the charges are--preferably get a cc number and runs the card and records the charges and payment and prints a receipt. Then, the tech takes the puppy back to the owner, gives them the paperwork and any instructions from the vet and asks if there are questions. If there are and the tech can answer them they do. If not hey go and have the vet call the cell and discuss whatever needs to be discussed with the client.

Because most of these people are local repeat clients what they need and are getting for the most part are the basic AAHA recommended vaccines--DHPP. There are a few outlying areas that have an actual problem with lepto and for people in those areas we do recommend lepto. But for any additional vaccines that we might recommend we don't give them all at the same time. Lepto is nearly always given separately. Rabies we recommend that it be give a week before or a week after the DHPP.

I know Betty Clark--or at least she's judged some of my dogs over the years so I know who she is and am familiar with her breeding.

There are other vaccines that I may or may not give--the vaccine for kennel cough has protocols that change from year to year. and because I used to occasionally board dogs and boarding facilities used to insist that dogs boarded needed to have bordatella--and because the protocol went from nose drops to injection to one nose drop application ad a week later an injectable and after two of my completely vaccinated dogs came up with kennel cough (and to the best of my ability to tell--they picked it up either at the vets or at a dog show I stopped vaccinating. I don't board the dogs.

I don't give lepto--I'm not in an at risk area--it is a vaccine that has a bad reputation for vaccine reactions. And it mutates with such frequency that it's really hard to say if you are even injecting a dog with the latest versions.l

I don't even know what to tell you not do I want to make suggestions about how to deal with this problem except to contact the vet that you are thinking of using in advance and explain that you have a very specific list of what you want administered and when and this is at the recommendation of your breeder an AKC judge and long time Doberman breeder, now retired and see if you can get some cooperation.

Good luck--I hate it when I hear stories like this--and it drives me mad when my vet won't listen to me explain what I want and why.

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You are right to question your vet on this. I live in Montgomery count PA, and I don't do Lepto. I do the 3 series of puppy shots and then do rabies at 6 months. I know that rabies is required at 4 months in PA, but I don't care. My vet is fine with doing the rabies at 6 months. I won't do rabies within a couple of months of any other shot. I don't know if it is possible to do a titer on a young puppy to see if the immunity from the 3 shots is there. If it is, then there is certainly no need for a 4th booster.

I know Betty Clark as well - saw her at some shows last year. Hope she is doing well.

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Wonderful advice above from Bug and Fitzmar.

Regarding lepto and lyme vaccination - given that both diseases are in my area (CT state forest), we have our dogs vaccinated. When we lived elsewhere, we didn't.

I feel for vets and vet staff as their job is hard and most of the dog owners they deal with are uneducated. This is not the case in the example you are describing.

We have developed a wonderful relationship over the years with the vets that we use and some of the staff are breeders - that helps a lot.

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Where we live, deer and other animals travel through our back yard and the puppy sniffs out their droppings and tried to eat them-hence the need for lepto. Lyme,not so sure. We do gets ticks but this year doesn't seem as bad as last year.We have been told that the vaccine only prevents some types,not all,so whats the point ? What do you people do about lyme ?
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Cute PICs....I have PICís turn sideways sometimes.
Usually after Margaritas. Ba ha ha ha.....
Real cute pupper ya got there.....

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I entirely forgot about Lyme vaccines--until very recently (either last year or the year before) Lyme wasn't even a consideration for dogs in my area (Oregon)--then there was one case diagnosed and some lime carrying type ticks were found in one of the counties so it then became a consideration. But I'm in Portland and don't even take my dogs to the big parks in the area which have ticks (and the local tick can pass a tick born disease but I don't think they commonly do and I don't think there is actually a vaccine for it.

What we have around these parts is giardia--there is a vaccine but it is notoriously ineffective. When it first came out one of the Washington State breeders who is also a vet tech and has always had a problem with giardia started vaccinating her dogs and any one elses' Dobermans who wanted to try it out and found that at best it might mitigate the effects of giardia but that was at best. She still had to watch for symptoms and check for giardia if any dog 'might' have it again. (one of the common symptoms of giardia is diarrhea--but some dogs are silent carriers and some dogs only are symptomatic occasionally. She wasn't the only one that found that the vaccine wasn't very effective--and most vets around these parts don't push to vaccinate for it.

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She is very cute - and has a nice crop.
Lymes is a big problem in our area. I personally do not vaccinate for Lymes as I had a dog (Greyhound) almost die from it 20+ years ago. I have had two Dobermans come down with Lymes, and it was treated with antibiotics. What I do, is have bloodwork every year and one of the things my vet checks for is Lymes. He personally told me many years ago that he would rather treat the disease than give the vaccine. Now I admit that the vaccine may be better now - 20 years later. I would talk to your vet about it. I just do minimal vaccines when I can.

I would also talk to your breeder and see what they recommend.

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