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Cleo is here! Now...a few questions...

We brought her home over the weekend. She's really really cool. Cleopatra is her name.

So, first of all, I'll state that my breeder has been very responsive and helpful. I'm not looking for contradicting advice, but sometimes, seeing things here in this forum help clarify a few things and give me ideas of where to get certain supplies.

When we picked her up, breeder told us that knuckling over is not uncommon and if/when it happened, to lower the protein in her food and to giver her Vitamin C with Rose hips.


Sure enough, the last 2 days, I've noticed that when she stands or sits, her front legs tremble a bit. She hasn't knuckled over, but breeder says those are some warning signs and to activate the plan.

We are feeding her Purina Pro Plan Sport All Life Stages Performance 30/20 mixed with a small bit of water and some Alpo wet food. Breeder suggested reducing the foods to a food with 24% protein. I've been looking through the Purina Pro Plan options, and I'm struggling a bit to find that mix. I'm all new to this, so I want to choose the *right* specific food, and was thinking sticking with PPP would be a good brand since it seems to be well respected.

Also, as far are the Vitamin C with rosehips...how do I get her to eat it? wrap it in Peanut butter? Any I assume I can buy this at any Whole Foods/Natural grocers place?

Thanks in advance for the help. I spent a fair bit of time researching this here, and found lots of info, but struggled a little putting my answer together. I don't want to screw this up!

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I'll let someone else do the dietary stuff—that's not my area of knowledge.

But I just want to say—she's cute! And thanks for the picture. We can always use more
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yup , she looks like one of those bucket head dobemans more pics ,Please!

We did not start out with Purina...8 years later we have switched to a Purina product for my boy since it had the right amount of protein i was looking and it is accessible through a number market places.

Congrats on the pup
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I feed Fromm Pork and Applesauce Protein is 24% just add some water
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Purina Pro plan for Hoss..

Cute cone head.........congrats.

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Welcome to the forum.

I would ask your vet for guidance on feeding and especially before supplementing Vit C. Dogs make their own Vit C and supplementing it can have serious consequences.

Honestly, I have no idea where the idea of supplementing Vit C in dogs came from but I hear it recommended for a lot of random things. I have a friend who was told to supplement it to help her puppy's ears stand...her dog ended up with horrible diarrhea and bladder issues. Both resolved when she stopped giving Vit C.

Here's a brief article from Cummings Vet School at Tufts on Vit C.

The A-B-C's of Vitamin C
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Welcome to the forum.

I would ask your vet for guidance on feeding and especially before supplementing Vit C. Dogs make their own Vit C and supplementing it can have serious consequences.

Honestly, I have no idea where the idea of supplementing Vit C in dogs came from but I hear it recommended for a lot of random things. I have a friend who was told to supplement it to help her puppy's ears stand...her dog ended up with horrible diarrhea and bladder issues. Both resolved when she stopped giving Vit C.

Here's a brief article from Cummings Vet School at Tufts on Vit C.

The A-B-C's of Vitamin C
Thanks for the reply. I noticed your location...do you happen to be near KC? Feel free to respond via DM if that is better.

Regarding our vet: we've started going to the one that is most nearby and have had good success with in the past. This is our first Dobie and my sense is that our vet is not neccessarily experienced with the breed (was not familiar with ear cropping,etc). That said, if there's an expert in my area that you're familiar with...perhaps you can provide some advice? My family is super excited about this puppy, but we're a little nervous too.

Here's another pick for cuteness sake.
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Yeah, I wondered where that recommendation about supplimenting with vitamin C came from too.

Thanks for putting up that link to the Tuft's information.

Actually I asked a woman who brought her puppy to me to get ear posting lessons where she heard that. She said from her kid who had a guinea pig.

Interesting. Most mammals make their own vitamin C--the exeptions are fairly well known. Guinea pigs, fruit bats and people don't.

And I read an article by a nauturopath--his claim was that you need to suppliment dogs because they didn't make enough. Really? Wonder how all those dogs survived all these year when Ma' Nature didn't see fit to have them producing enough Vitamin C to keep them healthy.

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Congrats on your new girl! Shes so cute. Cleo is a name I have always really liked.

I've never had a puppy that knuckled over so I'm no help with that. The only time I gave Sugar vitamin c was when he had warts in his mouth because his breeder suggested it. It actually seemed to help but I don't know for sure. At least he's not a warthog anymore . He also loves clementines so he gets those frequently just because he likes them.



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Thanks for the reply. I noticed your location...do you happen to be near KC? Feel free to respond via DM if that is better.

Regarding our vet: we've started going to the one that is most nearby and have had good success with in the past. This is our first Dobie and my sense is that our vet is not neccessarily experienced with the breed (was not familiar with ear cropping,etc). That said, if there's an expert in my area that you're familiar with...perhaps you can provide some advice? My family is super excited about this puppy, but we're a little nervous too.

Here's another pick for cuteness sake.
CUTE PUPPER!!

I'm in St. Louis but I reached out to a Dobe breeder and good friend who lives in the KC area (Ali Doughty, Old Drum Dobermans; I've had two Dobes from her) and she recommends Dr. Jones at Strothertowne Animal Hospital in Lee's Summitt. I trust her recommendation. Dr. Jones and several of the staff are Dobe owners or owned Dobes at one time or another.

She also mentioned it's a good idea to switch to a low protein food (if the pup isn't already on one), put down rugs to keep them off slick surfaces (i.e., hardwood, tile, concrete) as much as possible, and sometimes the leg(s) might even need to be wrapped for a few days or weeks depending on how bad it is.
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So, following the advice of several people (here, breeder and a few others), I gave her a capsule of Vitamin C and changed foods to a lower protein. Within a couple days, the wobbling I was seeing has stopped. So, we're stopping the supplement and will give this diet a week or so before going back to the PPP. Thanks for the help everyone.

This little puppy...only 9 weeks old and is already sleeping through the night. We goes to her kennel at around 11pm and doesn't go potty until about 6:30am. She holds it all night and when I take her out, she goes immediately.

During the day, however, is a different story. The kids are taking her about about every hours, but we turn around and she'll pee or poop on the floor.

We ring a bell when we take her outside on a leash, pretty much ignore her while she's in the grass until she does her business, and then praise her when she goes outside. We're not sure what we're doing wrong. Today, we took her out at 0715, 0815, 0915 but during that time, she peed and pooped twice inside the house. at 0715 she squatted and if she peed, it was super fast (sometimes she does that). The other two times she didn't go.


It's hard to believe this sweet thing could cause a problem!
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