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8 Week Old / 7.5 lbs Boy - Could this be a German Pinscher mix?

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I know there is a ton of posts on the web about concerns for under sized Dobbie pups. Chalk this up as another I guess. Our concern is not whether or not to love this little guy. It is to better care for him and to know what to expect down the line. Story goes: This guy came up for sale on Craigslist and we've always wanted a Red male pure bred Dobbie, so we went to take a look. Seller asked to meet at a gas station, he pulled up with two identical red and rust pups on his passenger seat floor. He claimed he sells for his breeder friend who lives a few hours away, "usually AKC purebreds but this litter wasn't registered so they are selling at a lower than full price." We asked for photos and info on his parents but he just said they're healthy and about to turn 8 weeks in a day, and that they were just taken from mom. This little guy was adorable and looked healthy so we decided to take him into the family.

Well, after doing a bunch of research and taking him to get his first check up, were starting to second guess that this guy is pure bred. First - this guy is small for a male Dobbie at 7.5 lbs, about 11 inches from paw to shoulder at 8 week. He also doesn't seem to have as much of a pronounced snout as other pics we've seen at his age. other than that, he has all the markings of a Dobbie. I did this puppy scanner app, and it came back doberman/German pinscher mix. Which could make sense if the breeder breeder a red doberman and a German pinscher. But German pinschers aren't born with the red and rust mix.

I know it is possible he could have been the runt, or the runt of the dames 2/3/4 litters. But he still just seems like he's not purebred. Again, doesn't matter now, he's ours and we love him. We just want to know your expert opinions and thoughts.

We have an Embark DNA kit on the way which will show his lineage for the past 3 generations along with COI for inbreed percentage amongst other things. Were excited for that test to tell us more about this little guy. Please let us know what you all think and thank you in advance.

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That's a doberman. He's a little thin and might be more like 6-7 weeks IMO. What's done is done and I wouldn't bother with the DNA test. The German Pinscher is a relatively rare breed and it's very unlikely that you would find someone selling GP's at a gas station passing them off as dobes. Welcome to DT by the way. What did you name him?
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Thanks for the reply. We actually just re-weighed our little Bruno and he has gained 1.5 lbs in 2 days since his first vet visit. Putting him at just under 9 lbs with some food in his belly. We actually thought the same about him being 6-7 weeks old until we took him to the vet and they said he looks about 8 weeks based off his teeth. Definitely didn't think he was all or mostly GP, but maybe a possibility of a mix.

Anywhoo, thanks for welcoming us. We love the little guy and always had hopes and dreams for a bigger boy, but as long as hes healthy and on track that's all we care about.
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I think he's a Doberman--all Doberman. And he badly needs his nails trimmed they are like little daggers.

The most likely reason that he looks so small to you is that they've lied about his age--don't know what state you're in but many states have regulations about selling puppies under 8 weeks I'd guess 6 weeks at this point.

Dobe puppies at his age (either 6 weeks or 8 weeks don't have very long snouts--they are still kind of smushed in. it'll grow as he does.

Too bad about the lack of registration--Canada has regulations that are aimed at preventing this kind of think--it's illegal for a breeder of a purebred dog to NOT register the puppies before they are sold. Wish the AKC would do the same.

I don't think he looks at all like a German Pinscher puppy.

Stick with us here--a lot of information on puppies is general so even if it turns out that he turns out, as an adult more like a german pinscher than a dobe you'll have gotten good advice we'll all applaud you for taking this cute lil' red boy.

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Thanks for the replies. We actually though the same in regards to age until his vet told us that he looked about 8 weeks based off his teeth. haha that picture was before his nail trim but yes they were daggers for sure. Yeah i never even heard of GPs until the scanner app. Was more so concerned about him being a mix of some sort that would keep him from his full dobbie potential as far as size, smarts, temperament and lifespan. His name is Bruno and he's already spoiled. Very happy to have found this forum. Seems like an awesome resource. Thanks again for any and all replies.
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Hi! Welcome to DT from Colorado!

I agree with other folks--he looks to be a week or two shy of 8 weeks. He also looks to be cute.

He is a little thin in those pictures--I'm glad to hear he's gained some weight.

Anyway, welcome again. Hang around--and keep posting pictures We love puppy pictures
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Yup. I agree... Dobe pup. Young.

I will also say, that given the way they were dumping him and at that young age, he is one lucky baby to have found a caring and seemingly responsible home such as yours.

Keep up the good work. And have patience. Doberman puppies can be little hellions for sure. LOL.

Please come by frequently with questions and updates!

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Another welcome from Colorado!

And I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone here, he looks a bit young but it sounds like he has two new parents that are going to spoil him rotten!

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Yet another voice to add to the bunch that agree on him being purebred but looking very young. Based on my own puppies I currently have on the ground I'd say he could be as young as 5 weeks and as old as 7 weeks. The ear size and coloration of the irises make me think they're likely on the younger end of the spectrum. Dobe teeth develop very quickly... trust me the skin on my ankles and feet would like a word with your vet

Length of the muzzle/snout is also somewhat individual and dependent on his unique conformation and/or lines. Because he is so young I would advise you to invest in the puppy culture film at the bare bones minimum. It could also be worth it for you to invest in her exercise booklet as well as some of her books. You're going to want to spend a lot of time on handling, de-sensitizing etc. There are bundles aimed at owners rather than breeders. But at the very least the Puppy Culture film itself is only 70$ for 4-5 hours worth of material. If you had to get one other one, I'd say you should invest in "Attention is the mother of all behaviours". You can get them instantly if you buy Video On Demand as opposed to DVD versions.
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Thank you all for your replies and advice thus far.

So Bruno being this young of a pup, we are obviously concerned that he was taken away from his mother too soon. We want to make sure we are feeding him the best food we can with the best nutrients to make up for whatever is lost in his little system.

When we brought him home on Monday night (6/8), we tried giving him Taste of The Wild but he wouldn't eat it. So then after his first trip to the vet on Tuesday (6/9), and more and more research, we have put him on Purina Pro Plan Large Breed Focus Chicken and Rice puppy food by Wednesday (6/10), but mixed in a small forkful scoop of Royal Canine puppy appetite stimulant. He loved it. We were giving him a total of 1 and 1/3 cup a day (based on us thinking he was 8 weeks).

Thursday night rolls around (6/11) and he vomited 3-4 times and runny diarrhea after his dinner meal. We tried to rehydrate him with small amounts of water and spoiled him with lots of warm hugs and kisses. We spoke to an ER vet and they said if it continued thru night, come in. Thank goodness it didn't. He was passed out puppy dreaming by 10:00pm and slept through the entire night.

This morning is Friday (6/12) and he has his little puppy personality back but we are having trouble getting him to eat solely the dry Purina Pro (without the tiny scoop of Royal Canin wet). We weren't sure if his tummy was upset from this new food that was introduced so bluntly into his diet (we weren't given any of his previous food from the seller) or maybe his tummy was upset from his first round of shots (keep in mind, shots were 48 hours prior to vomiting).

It's definitely difficult not knowing the facts about this little guys background, but we want to give him the best life he deserves no matter what.

Anyone have thoughts or feedback on the food or advice on something specific to give him that has worked for your young pups in your experience? We obviously don't want to keep switching his food up this abruptly on him, but we also need to make sure he's eating the best he can eat with him potentially being this young.

Thank you all so far!
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Thank you all for your replies and advice thus far.

So Bruno being this young of a pup, we are obviously concerned that he was taken away from his mother too soon. We want to make sure we are feeding him the best food we can with the best nutrients to make up for whatever is lost in his little system.

When we brought him home on Monday night (6/8), we tried giving him Taste of The Wild but he wouldn't eat it. So then after his first trip to the vet on Tuesday (6/9), and more and more research, we have put him on Purina Pro Plan Large Breed Focus Chicken and Rice puppy food by Wednesday (6/10), but mixed in a small forkful scoop of Royal Canine puppy appetite stimulant. He loved it. We were giving him a total of 1 and 1/3 cup a day (based on us thinking he was 8 weeks).

Thursday night rolls around (6/11) and he vomited 3-4 times and runny diarrhea after his dinner meal. We tried to rehydrate him with small amounts of water and spoiled him with lots of warm hugs and kisses. We spoke to an ER vet and they said if it continued thru night, come in. Thank goodness it didn't. He was passed out puppy dreaming by 10:00pm and slept through the entire night.

This morning is Friday (6/12) and he has his little puppy personality back but we are having trouble getting him to eat solely the dry Purina Pro (without the tiny scoop of Royal Canin wet). We weren't sure if his tummy was upset from this new food that was introduced so bluntly into his diet (we weren't given any of his previous food from the seller) or maybe his tummy was upset from his first round of shots (keep in mind, shots were 48 hours prior to vomiting).

It's definitely difficult not knowing the facts about this little guys background, but we want to give him the best life he deserves no matter what.

Anyone have thoughts or feedback on the food or advice on something specific to give him that has worked for your young pups in your experience? We obviously don't want to keep switching his food up this abruptly on him, but we also need to make sure he's eating the best he can eat with him potentially being this young.

Thank you all so far!
Umm--I like ProPlan and it's my go to food and has been for quite a long time. I've gone back to feeding adult food and not using puppy formulas but that's me.

How many meals a day are you giving him? Some puppies don't handle any kind of canned food well. I do give extras to puppies to make sure they are eating eagerly but I try to avoid using canned food. What I use instead which seems to work out better is either yogurt or cottage cheese (just a small spoonful) with breakfast. And at what I think his age looks like I'd give half of a hardboiled egg with another meal and for the third meal I might buy and cook some hamburger with a little water (into a sloppy joe consistency) and give him a spoonful of that. When I do that I refrigerate a couple of days worth and freeze the rest in small containers and thaw as necessary. The other thing I use for third meals is canned salmon--pink is the least expensive and use it in small quantities because it's rich.

Except that 1-1/3 cups of food doesn't sound like too much food--the vomiting could be from anything but diarrhea is really common if a very young puppy is getting too much food.

And he looks so young that I might even feed him four meals for a couple of weeks.

Even a few days later some dogs/puppies do react to vaccines so the vomiting and diarrhea could have been from that. While puppies can dehydrate fast, I generally don't don't get very worried about one round of vomiting--puppies can find invisible things to eat that aren't sometimes even edible.

But since it he seems to have recovered I just keep an eye out for further episodes of vomiting and diarrhea. I get worried about the possibility that he might have been exposed to parvo or distemper before you got him.

But he is very cute and I hope you won't have any more problems with the food.

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Thank you for this. I grew up watching my parents give their Golden puppies a little bit of cottage cheese and the hard boiled eggs, so glad to hear that trick comes full circle.

We are indeed eating 4x a day and as we see him growing and begin to weigh more than 10lbs we will increase to 1.5 cups. We will probably keep him on 4x a day for two weeks.
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He looks all Doberman to me. For the food, if he is really not yet 8 weeks (which he looks younger in the pics) I would soak his kibble in a little bit of warm water for about 30 minutes before feeding him. Young puppies can have a hard time with hard dry kibble.
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He is surely a very cute little guy!

Thank goodness he fell into the hands of caring owners like yourselves....

One thing I may add is that given his less than certain beginnings with the breeder, he may not have had any dewormer at all so that may have a little something to do with his weight.... I know you've had him at the vets office so that's probably been addressed.

He's been through lots of changes, change in environment, owner, shots, food etc. His little belly is adjusting to a lot of factors is suppose. He will get better and will eat more and more as it improves.

Anyway, welcome and I'm sure you'll find this forum has MANY great doberman owners on here with lots of great information. Don't be afraid to ask any questions, someone is always here to help you.
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I do think he's still under 8 weeks, and I don't think you should be too worried as long as he's healthy! Are you planning to have his ears cropped?
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OMG Bruno is very cute! Bella is not very food oriented so we have always given her warm chicken broth and a spoon-full of boiled chicken with her (salmon and sweet potato) kibble. yum! smells good! This way the kibble does not expand as much inside them, and they get some hydration. Loki gets that too, and they both get salmon oil as well. Bella is 8, Loki is 1.25 years old. Good Luck!
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His belly is on the up and up! Really starting to love his meals and process them much better then the other night (phew!)
As gorgeous as the cropped ears are, we have decided we are going to leave his big, floppy ears as they are!
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Hi Bd.

Thanks for the update. Although all my boys, over the years, have been "cropped and docked", I enjoy running across a Dobe with floppy ears.

Plus...With all the breed specific bias out there, if it ever becomes an issue, you can always tell people that he is a Hound! LOL

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My boy was also that weight and didnt gain much growing up. Hes 28 inches tall and 75 to 80 lbs now. Looks healthy doc says hes a big boy. I think the breeder told me he was middle of pack sizewise. Breeder was BYB no papers. One day ill do an embark cause im curious.

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DOB: 12/26/2018

Week 6: 7.6#
Week 7: 10#
Week 8: 11#
Week 9: 15.8#
Week 10: 16.4#
Week 11: 20#
Week 17 : 32#
Week 19 : 37.6# (4 Months 1 Week) Height: Roughly 22"
Week 21 : 41#
Week 24 : 48.6#
Week 26: (6 Months) : 52.6# Height: 25" Roughly

[Months 7-11 : Did not keep Track although Months 7/11 is close to 6/12 respectively in height| Regarding Weight: Possibly 2-4 lbs every Month seems to be Trend]

1 Year : 65-68 lbs Height: Unknown -> 25"-26" using Above/Below Guesses

13/14 Months : 68-70 lbs (at 14 Months Odin was at 70lbs) , Around 26" to 26.5" (Unsure but less than 27"; although 1" growth spurt from Month 14 -> 15 does not seem to be trend)

15 Months : 70# Around 27.5"

16 Months: 72 # 27.5-27.75"

18 Months: 75# 27.75"

Just my records, didn't really record height too often when he was younger cause it was hard, and I was going through a rough patch at one point in my life.

My boy was always a little on the low weight side. But he looked healthy and acts like a healthy pup and I think thats what matters the most
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