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I'm probably a tiny voice out there that says having a dobe can be done without a fence, but......(and that's a great BIG but.......)
It was my first dobe. We got him from a BYB (I didn't know any better). We lived in an apartment, both worked, were total novices, and of course....no fence. A real breeder probably wouldn't have even considered selling a puppy to us.
He was our baby though; if we were not at work, he was getting attention, walks, hikes, training--walking every single day, off-leash for about an hour, hikes and cross country skiing on the weekends, training and learning with us constantly, formal training classes once a week.
Fortunately we had a huge area on two sides of our apartment complex. It was an abandoned plant nursery/tree farm, and it went on for a long long way with no road or buildings close by. It was a great place for him to run off leash. Every.Single.Day. Rain, shine or snow. In good weather, and in the dark and cold (days were short in the winter), we were out there walking.
That is one thing I think needs mentioning--a lot of not-too-knowledgeable dog owners think "Oh, I've got this lovely big backyard. Doggie can just be put out there every day and he'll get plenty of exercise." But dogs don't really exercise in a back yard. They do a bit of a sniff around to see if anything has changed, take care of their business and then find a place to sack out. They need a place to be outside, to stretch their legs a little and commune with nature--but they won't "exercise" themselves.
YOU need to be out there spending time with them. A dobe, in particular, is not an outside "yard dog." He will not be happy without a LOT of time with his people--dobes like to sit at (on?) their people's feet.
In fact, I've always found with mine (we did eventually find a place with a yard) that yes, as adult dogs, they could go outside (more or less alone), do their pottying, hang around a little--but then they wanted right back in. When they are puppies, of course, you need to be right out there with them--and even when they are adults, you need to be aware of what is going on the whole time they're out. But they would much rather be in with us than spend time out alone.
AND they need to be walked in different places; see different sights; meet different people--for a puppy it is especially important that he sees the outside away from his own house. That is the way he will gain the confidence and experience to develop into a well-balanced dog, without a distrust of unknown things which can lead to a lot of behavior that people call aggression (and that some think is great--MY dog is such a great guard dog! Look how fierce he is! He always barks and lunges at people if they get too close!!) but that is really based on fear.
So you don't ABSOLUTELY need to have a fence--but it takes a lot of work to go without one (and it is work sometimes. I didn't come home from my job always feeling like devoting most of my free time to the dog)
AND you're unlikely to find a good breeder who will even consider you.
You may be able to build a good relationship with a breeder, show him by your actions that you will be a good dog owner, do your research into dog owning and training and present him with a game plan for how you will handle life with a dobe and no fence--and find one you can work with.
But a breeder knows that people are willing to promise the moon to make sacrifices and spend extra time making their homes just right, day after day, year after year, in the first stages of the "I want a puppy" fever. And he also knows that if there is a condition in the new puppy home will will mean extra work and attention to make it work for their family, people (most, actually) will eventually stop with all of the extra stuff they need to do, and puppy won't be happy there. And if puppy isn't happy, his behavior won't lead to a happy family either.
A good breeder has lots of good places to choose from when he's ready to send those puppies to a new home. There is no reason he needs to take a chance on an unknown home, already with obvious strikes against it, for his puppies. Your puppy application is likely to go in the trash right away.
Last edited by melbrod; 04-24-2020 at 11:20 AM.