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Hi and thanks again for the info

Here is the ad I was asking about

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-dogs-puppies...rce=ios_social

I mean how can i trust someone ? Is there a vet record i can ask for or so?

And if you guys know a trusted european doberman breeder in southwestern ontario or few hours of driving distance please let me know.

I almost sent a deposit for “a breeder” in ottawa before i saw many posts about how scam they are , wew,

Thanks in advance.
A big red flag is that it doesn't say the pups are CKC registerable. I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that the sire (who could stand to lose a good 10 pounds, from that picture) is probably from one of the countries that the CKC doesn't acknowledge.


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Is there a reason you're specifically looking for European Dobes?

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Is there a reason you're specifically looking for European Dobes?

Yes , i want a guard dog for my family and the few animals i have and my land. I read for months about dogs me and my wife and we decided on the european doberman for that:

1- he is big and protective.
2- he is smart.
3- doesnt shed as the gsd for example.
4- likes training and exercise and i will have few acres.
5- loves to always accompany his “family”.
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Yes , i want a guard dog for my family and the few animals i have and my land. I read for months about dogs me and my wife and we decided on the european doberman for that:

1- he is big and protective.
2- he is smart.
3- doesnt shed as the gsd for example.
4- likes training and exercise and i will have few acres.
5- loves to always accompany his “family”.
Hi Bob - all of the Dobes we have ever had have checked off all your needs - and all of mine are Made in America , just say 'n' Don't sell the USA Dogs short
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Yes , i want a guard dog for my family and the few animals i have and my land. I read for months about dogs me and my wife and we decided on the european doberman for that:

1- he is big and protective.
2- he is smart.
3- doesnt shed as the gsd for example.
4- likes training and exercise and i will have few acres.
5- loves to always accompany his “family”.
First off: Dobermans are NOT property protection dogs - they're PERSONAL protection dogs, and will not be happy outside guarding animals. You'll want a livestock guardian dog for the livestock. That's literally the entire purpose of a LGD.

The rest of your list can be found in AmBred/CanBred dogs. Minus the "big" - I'm not sure what you consider "big." Neither well bred Euro dogs, nor North American line dogs are huge. They shed quite a bit more than people realize, though they don't blow their coats. All well bred Dobes regardless of origin will enjoy training, having a job, and accompanying their families.

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First off: Dobermans are NOT property protection dogs - they're PERSONAL protection dogs, and will not be happy outside guarding animals. You'll want a livestock guardian dog for the livestock. That's literally the entire purpose of a LGD.

The rest of your list can be found in AmBred/CanBred dogs. Minus the "big" - I'm not sure what you consider "big." Neither well bred Euro dogs, nor North American line dogs are huge. They shed quite a bit more than people realize, though they don't blow their coats. All well bred Dobes regardless of origin will enjoy training, having a job, and accompanying their families.
Thank you for your reply.

I dont need a live stock guard if you read my post carefully with all due respect.

I will have one goat and few chickens , i want the dog for my family protection + plus for my family and these animals when they are outside. The dog is to stay inside the house.

Trust me i dont want to spend $2000-3000 to have a dog guarding my animals i can get a meremma or so and they dont even need to sleep inside for $500-600.

What i mean by big is big compared to most of other dogs like lab and coli and so on. Im not comparing to huge dogs. He is big enough that no one will see it and step forward trespassing or so.

Why euro and not american just because of the size and thicker bones you can say personal preference.

Thanks again i really enjoy learning from you experts and benefit alot from your advices.
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It's not at all my taste, but we've had other members who have liked their dogs. They've also had some mixed reviews, but Dobereich in Ontario is the style you are looking at, and they are members of the Canadian Kennel Club. You do not want to buy from anyone in Canada who is selling puppies that are not registered with the Canadian Kennel Club - it's actually illegal there to sell pups like that. Again, this isn't a personal endorsement.

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What i mean by big is big compared to most of other dogs like lab and coli and so on. Im not comparing to huge dogs. He is big enough that no one will see it and step forward trespassing or so.

Why euro and not american just because of the size and thicker bones you can say personal preference.
Not that much difference, to be honest.

FCI standard for Dobermans (with conversion from metric to inches)

SIZE AND WEIGHT:
Height at the withers: Males: 68 – 72 cm. (26.77 - 28.35 inches)
Females: 63 – 68 cm. (34.8 - 26.77 inches)
Medium size desirable.
Weight: Males: about 40 – 45 kg. (88.18 - 99.21 pounds)
Females: about 32 – 35 kg. (70.55 - 77.16)

AKC standard for Dobermans

Size, Proportion, Substance: Height at the withers: Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27½ inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25½ inches. The height, measured vertically from the ground to the highest point of the withers, equaling the length measured horizontally from the forechest to the rear projection of the upper thigh. Length of head, neck and legs in proportion to length and depth of body.

CKC standard for Dobermans

Size
Height at withers—males 26 to 28 inches, ideal 27½ inches (70
cm); females 24 to 26 inches, ideal 25½” (65 cm). Males, decidedly
masculine, without coarseness. Females, decidedly feminine, without
over-refinement. Deviation from ideal height to be penalized in
proportion to the amount of deviation.

And just for the heck of it, since you mentioned them...

CKC standard for Labrador retrievers

Size: Ideal height at withers: Dogs 22 ½ - 24 ½ inches (57 - 62 cm);
Bitches 21 ½ - 23 ½ inches (54 -60 cm). Weight commensurate with
height and with the breed’s function as a medium sized, powerful, active
retriever. Approximate weights: Dogs 60-80 lbs (27.27-36.36 kilos);
Bitches 55-75 lbs (25-34.09 kilos).

And the CKC standard for Collies

Dogs are from 24-26 inches (60-67 cm) at the shoulder and weigh from
60-75 lb. (27-34 kg). Bitches are from 22-24 inches (55-61 cm) at the
shoulder, weighing from 50-65 lb. (22-30 kg). An undersized or an
oversized Collie is penalized according to the extent to which the dog
appears to be undersized or oversized.


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Thank you , i contacted them and filled the application required.

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Just an update .. i dont know if its normal or no, i contacted recommended breeders and i got no single answer !! I sent email, facebook msgs, called and left a voice msg, no answer!
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Just an update .. i dont know if its normal or no, i contacted recommended breeders and i got no single answer !! I sent email, facebook msgs, called and left a voice msg, no answer!
Two comments....

Number one, we're now in the middle of a global pandemic. I'm not sure anyone right now is focused completely on their breeding program the way they normally would be...

Second, a lot of how people respond depends on your approach. Most breeders want contact that is a bit of a resume, what your background is, why you are interested in their dogs, what you are looking for in a dog,. Short messages that are more like "do you have puppies available/how much" may not get a response at all. I'm not saying that's been your approach, but it could be a factor.


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