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Hi everyone,

Just out of curiosity, how many other lurkers like me have been planning to adopt a puppy this summer? If so, have you already been placed on the waitlist for an upcoming litter? I'm feeling alone...

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Dagnabbit--DT ate another post.

I'm here to answer questions (about Dobermans, about Doberman puppies, about ear posting, training, feeding all of which I've been doing for 60+ years.)

What is the long string of dogs names--prospective name for the prospective dog or prior dogs of yours?

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PS I don't really regard myself as a dobermom. I own these guys and although I think the world of my dogs they aren't really a substitute for kids and I don't think they've ever mistaken me for their mom.

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You forgot
"I used to have a doberman"
and
"I may never have one, but I wish I could"
on your poll.

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Thanks for replying to me!

wow, I wouldn't imagine someone has been doing this for so long and sorry for my incautious generalization. ( I saw someone else on the forum refer themselves as Dobermoms)

I do have a question regarding how to get a puppy from the reputable breeders.
So, I contacted seven breeders through their websites and emailed four days ago, three of which replied to me, one of them said they don't have a litter and recommend against me getting a puppy, but she told me that I should adopt. (I am not an experienced dog owner) The second breeder has planned a litter this spring/ summer, but he didn't reply to me after me sending a long email to explain how I plan to raise my dog, and I have enough savings to cover for the expenses. ( placement fee, training, food, toys) I cited that my estimated monthly budget for a Doberman is 650 CAD. I didn't tell him how much savings I have, but I offer to show him my bank statement in person! ( I was desperate!) The third breeder just sent me their questionnaire last night.
I am 24, and I will start grad school this May. I have everything planned out: get a puppy this summer so I can train her and spend time with her after coming home from lectures. ( which is about 18/20 hours per week).
Since I have anxiety/OCD about waiting for rulings/conclusion/interviews/applications/recall [ Is that a yes or no or maybe, could you please give me a definitive answer so I can move on? That kind of anxiety] I am just here waiting apprehensively for a breeder to let me provide them with a deposit.

Should I lie in my application so I can get a puppy from a reputable breeder?

.What is the long string of dogs names-- the prospective name for the potential dog or prior dogs of yours?

LOL, those are just silly names I picked out for my prospective dogs.


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Thanks for replying to me!

wow, I wouldn't imagine someone has been doing this for so long and sorry for my incautious generalization. ( I saw someone else on the forum refer themselves as Dobermoms)

I do have a question regarding how to get a puppy from the reputable breeders.
So, I contacted seven breeders through their websites and emailed four days ago, three of which replied to me, one of them said they don't have a litter and recommend against me getting a puppy, but she told me that I should adopt. (I am not an experienced dog owner) The second breeder has planned a litter this spring/ summer, but he didn't reply to me after me sending a long email to explain how I plan to raise my dog, and I have enough savings to cover for the expenses. ( placement fee, training, food, toys) I cited that my estimated monthly budget for a Doberman is 650 CAD. I didn't tell him how much savings I have, but I offer to show him my bank statement in person! ( I was desperate!) The third breeder just sent me their questionnaire last night.
I am 24, and I will start grad school this May. I have everything planned out: get a puppy this summer so I can train her and spend time with her after coming home from lectures. ( which is about 18/20 hours per week).
Since I have anxiety/OCD about waiting for rulings/conclusion/interviews/applications/recall [ Is that a yes or no or maybe, could you please give me a definitive answer so I can move on? That kind of anxiety] I am just here waiting apprehensively for a breeder to let me provide them with a deposit.

Should I lie in my application so I can get a puppy from a reputable breeder?

.What is the long string of dogs names-- the prospective name for the potential dog or prior dogs of yours?

LOL, those are just silly names I picked out for my prospective dogs.


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Please do not lie to a breeder.

Working with a good breeder to find someone that is a good fit for you is a process, and it takes longer than a week. Patience is important. A good breeder IS going to evaluate your lifestyle honestly and figure out if their dogs are likely to fit well with your lifestyle, and you WANT that. There's nothing worse than a bad fit. You'll be unhappy and the dog will be unhappy. You want breeders to be honest with you if they think their dogs aren't a good fit for you. Be open to hearing why they might think that and honestly evaluate what they say.

Take some time to go to shows and meet people in person. Get to know them. Sometimes when you are younger and you're about to enter a phase in your life that will be very demanding (like grad school) it does take extra effort to show that you're serious about making it work. And, especially when you haven't had a dog before, and you're looking at a high energy, demanding breed like Dobermans. Taking the time to get involved with the breed could be another step - look into fostering for a rescue, or see if breeders might want help ringside. Be open to showing your dedication.

I am glad for your enthusiasm. I do think it would be good to get some experience with the breed.
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I am in the GTA. What breeders have you reached out to? You want to make sure they are reputable and not a byb where I got my first old lovey from.

You have to be honest. That is the key to starting your relationship.

I am a dobermama because I am an empty nester lol.
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Welcome to DT Tada - Now I'm just part of the welcoming committee here - and there are lots of very knowledgeable Dober owners that will jump in to answer your questions


Should I lie in my application so I can get a puppy from a reputable breeder?

Tada ---- Never - Never -- Never Lie on your app !

I have read your above posts - It's great that you have a plan --- But -- it's almost impossible to make plans when raising a puppy - you may get close but that would be by luck - but that's my opinion

Questions -- Where do you live ? House ? Apartment ? At home ? This can be a player when your Appling for a Dober pup

Do you have a fenced in yard ? If you don't - This is almost a automatic DQ .

(I am not an experienced dog owner == Oh boy , this is almost a Automatic DQ -- Reason -- These top of the line breeders put there heart and soles into there dogs - puppies and only want to home them where they have the best chance to succeed , Now ask yourself - If you were the breeder - how would you look at a app like yours ? Not being mean here ! But Realistic .

Doberman pups are or can be a hand full - lol They need so much time when there little - Like I have always said , Doberman not only need attention - they demand it

Don't worry about the Dobermom or dad - lol Aunt Bug is full of it - lol - You can't have Dobermans since 1959 and not consider them family , Aunt Bug is very highly regarded on here - She has some of the best Dober stories you could ever read and the knowledge she has on the breed ! She is priceless !

Good luck in your pursuit of a Doberman - But I'm afraid you have a long road to go . Again - JMHO

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Hi, Tada. Welcome to the forum.

First off, and most importantly, DO NOT LIE TO BREEDERS. I know you want what you want, but its in your own best interests too that you don't lie in order to get a pup/dog.

Since you are not an experienced dog owner AND you are preparing to begin graduate school - without knowing anything else about you, I agree with the breeder who recommended you consider adopting a mature rescue.

I grew up with Dobes and got my first (all my own) Dobe puppy when I was finishing up my bachelors. It was a ton of work to raise her but I managed. I had about 3 year between my BS and MSc, during which time I added a second adult Dobe. So, when I started grad school, I had two adult Dobermans. I also just happened to be in a serious relationship and we were living together by that time, so my partner was able to really help out with their exercise needs and feeding and vet appts. when I would get stuck in the lab for many long hours or was just otherwise swamped with my work. It would not have been possible to successfully complete my MSc and meet their needs without his help. Period.

I could not have realistically committed myself to either my grad work or those two girls to the extent either one needs without his help.

After completing my MSc, I immediately began my PhD. Both girls were seniors by then and I lost both, close together, toward the end of my 2nd year / start of my 3rd year. Again, I could not have handled that without the incredible support of my partner. We now have a 5 yr old Rat Terrier, whom I got at 3.5 yrs old, and just brought home a Dobe pup in August, so she's just now 9 months old.

Fortunately, at this point, I've achieved candidacy so I'm what's considered "ABD" or All But Dissertation, which basically means I'm in that sweet spot of a PhD where I get to focus 100% of my work time on my research. I get to set my own work schedule in the office and lab, I've been fortunate enough to be able to hire a couple of Undergrad workers who I've trained and are now producing small experiments and results for me in the lab, so I can focus on other components of my work that can't be delegated out to anyone but me. So, I'm able to shift my schedule around to fit in my dogs needs and my hobby, which is training and competing in sports with them.

I work approximately 4 hours per day on Saturday and Sunday. And I work anywhere between 8-15 hours per day Monday through Friday. My partner and I have one night per week designated as "date night" (and we run pretty fast and loose with that term because it often just means we make a point to eat some meal together - not necessarily nice or romantic - and we spend our evening playing board games, talking / catching up, or watching a movie, i.e., I fall asleep on the sofa next to him and he tells me what happened the last 1/3 of the movie). He is exceptionally supportive and understanding that he gets so little of my time and energy because my dog hobby is my answer to work stress. I need it in order to keep functioning because my work is all consuming. So, its a hobby but its also about maintaining my mental health by scheduling in time and energy to take care of and train with my dogs, which brings me immense joy in life. I *need* it in my life.

So, why do I drone on about this? Because, really, at this point in time, you don't know what you're getting into with your graduate work or a Doberman.

Graduate work isn't something you just work really hard at and succeed. It is your life for anywhere from 5-8 years depending on your field. I don't know what your field of study will be but there's no such thing as an easy graduate degree or else you're doing it wrong. I don't care if you're Stephen effing Hawking. The point of a graduate degree is to go beyond what is currently known. Its challenging for everyone.

And Dobermans are not a good breed to learn on about dogs in general. You can do all the reading and watching videos you want. You can talk endlessly to experienced Dobe owners. You still won't quite be able to grasp what you're taking on until you do it.

The benefit of having experience with other dogs or breeds before a Dobe, is that you've figured out the basics - you would have already built that foundation of teaching them the basics. Its so much easier to raise a Doberman if you've got your timing figured out with redirecting or rewarding behaviors. If you've already proven yourself successful in committing to an exercise schedule and dependable routine. If you already know who can watch the dog when you travel (which is also, IME, a consistent theme as a grad student), if you know what might require a vet visit NOW vs something maybe you can wait a bit and see.

If you already had Dobe experience and you were starting grad school, okay, that's probably doable.

If you were already comfortable and successfully advancing through grad school and wanted to take on a Dobe without prior dog experience, that might be doable, too.

But I strongly recommend you re-think your current plans of getting a Dobe puppy AND starting graduate school. I'll even go so far as to say I would question the judgement of any breeder who would be willing to sell you a Dobe puppy if you've been honest about your current situation. And you don't want a dog from that kind of breeder. There's enough risk in Dobes anyway without getting a puppy from a sh!t breeder.

Personally, if I were you and based on what I know about graduate work and Dobe puppies based on my firsthand experience with both - wait to make any decisions about a puppy or dog until after you start your program. I would even encourage you to consider waiting to make any decisions about dog ownership until after qualifying exams and your proposal defense. Once you've found your footing in grad school, then come back to the dog stuff and get serious about it. You just don't know what you don't know right now and you're kind of setting yourself up for failure in both because of it.
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Hi, Tada. Welcome to the forum.

First off, and most importantly, DO NOT LIE TO BREEDERS. I know you want what you want, but its in your own best interests too that you don't lie in order to get a pup/dog.

Since you are not an experienced dog owner AND you are preparing to begin graduate school - without knowing anything else about you, I agree with the breeder who recommended you consider adopting a mature rescue.

I grew up with Dobes and got my first (all my own) Dobe puppy when I was finishing up my bachelors. It was a ton of work to raise her but I managed. I had about 3 year between my BS and MSc, during which time I added a second adult Dobe. So, when I started grad school, I had two adult Dobermans. I also just happened to be in a serious relationship and we were living together by that time, so my partner was able to really help out with their exercise needs and feeding and vet appts. when I would get stuck in the lab for many long hours or was just otherwise swamped with my work. It would not have been possible to successfully complete my MSc and meet their needs without his help. Period.

I could not have realistically committed myself to either my grad work or those two girls to the extent either one needs without his help.

After completing my MSc, I immediately began my PhD. Both girls were seniors by then and I lost both, close together, toward the end of my 2nd year / start of my 3rd year. Again, I could not have handled that without the incredible support of my partner. We now have a 5 yr old Rat Terrier, whom I got at 3.5 yrs old, and just brought home a Dobe pup in August, so she's just now 9 months old.

Fortunately, at this point, I've achieved candidacy so I'm what's considered "ABD" or All But Dissertation, which basically means I'm in that sweet spot of a PhD where I get to focus 100% of my work time on my research. I get to set my own work schedule in the office and lab, I've been fortunate enough to be able to hire a couple of Undergrad workers who I've trained and are now producing small experiments and results for me in the lab, so I can focus on other components of my work that can't be delegated out to anyone but me. So, I'm able to shift my schedule around to fit in my dogs needs and my hobby, which is training and competing in sports with them.

I work approximately 4 hours per day on Saturday and Sunday. And I work anywhere between 8-15 hours per day Monday through Friday. My partner and I have one night per week designated as "date night" (and we run pretty fast and loose with that term because it often just means we make a point to eat some meal together - not necessarily nice or romantic - and we spend our evening playing board games, talking / catching up, or watching a movie, i.e., I fall asleep on the sofa next to him and he tells me what happened the last 1/3 of the movie). He is exceptionally supportive and understanding that he gets so little of my time and energy because my dog hobby is my answer to work stress. I need it in order to keep functioning because my work is all consuming. So, its a hobby but its also about maintaining my mental health by scheduling in time and energy to take care of and train with my dogs, which brings me immense joy in life. I *need* it in my life.

So, why do I drone on about this? Because, really, at this point in time, you don't know what you're getting into with your graduate work or a Doberman.

Graduate work isn't something you just work really hard at and succeed. It is your life for anywhere from 5-8 years depending on your field. I don't know what your field of study will be but there's no such thing as an easy graduate degree or else you're doing it wrong. I don't care if you're Stephen effing Hawking. The point of a graduate degree is to go beyond what is currently known. Its challenging for everyone.

And Dobermans are not a good breed to learn on about dogs in general. You can do all the reading and watching videos you want. You can talk endlessly to experienced Dobe owners. You still won't quite be able to grasp what you're taking on until you do it.

The benefit of having experience with other dogs or breeds before a Dobe, is that you've figured out the basics - you would have already built that foundation of teaching them the basics. Its so much easier to raise a Doberman if you've got your timing figured out with redirecting or rewarding behaviors. If you've already proven yourself successful in committing to an exercise schedule and dependable routine. If you already know who can watch the dog when you travel (which is also, IME, a consistent theme as a grad student), if you know what might require a vet visit NOW vs something maybe you can wait a bit and see.

If you already had Dobe experience and you were starting grad school, okay, that's probably doable.

If you were already comfortable and successfully advancing through grad school and wanted to take on a Dobe without prior dog experience, that might be doable, too.

But I strongly recommend you re-think your current plans of getting a Dobe puppy AND starting graduate school. I'll even go so far as to say I would question the judgement of any breeder who would be willing to sell you a Dobe puppy if you've been honest about your current situation. And you don't want a dog from that kind of breeder. There's enough risk in Dobes anyway without getting a puppy from a sh!t breeder.

Personally, if I were you and based on what I know about graduate work and Dobe puppies based on my firsthand experience with both - wait to make any decisions about a puppy or dog until after you start your program. I would even encourage you to consider waiting to make any decisions about dog ownership until after qualifying exams and your proposal defense. Once you've found your footing in grad school, then come back to the dog stuff and get serious about it. You just don't know what you don't know right now and you're kind of setting yourself up for failure in both because of it.
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Thank you, MeadowCat, Coco Loco, ECIN, LadyDi, and special thanks to Brw1982's detailed post. Thank you for sharing your experience. It's invaluable to me! Also, I can't believe you pull through BS, MSC, Ph.D. while taking care of two dogs and doing so well!
Though I don't plan to do research, I know how stressful it is to finish a Ph.D.

I trust the judgments of any of you more than my own. I had read so many posts by all of you[ As I mentioned before, I was a lurker/stalker], and you are the most courteous and helpful people I have ever seen online. I love this community; everyone is welcoming and knowledgeable; that's part of the reason why I am attracted to this breed. After hearing so much advice against me getting a Doberman, it would be unreasonable for me to attempt to fake my application or to get a puppy. However, I will not give up on my quest for the perfect Doberman puppy, and I am just postponing my plan for a year or so. [ I discussed with my mom; she was impressed by how mature I was that I would 100% focus the grad school. Also, she will consider giving me their car. I wasn't expecting that at all. I guess that's a good turnout?]


P.S. My anxiety was gone, phew, since I am no longer thinking about the puppy. I feel so much better!

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Please do not lie to a breeder.

Working with a good breeder to find someone that is a good fit for you is a process, and it takes longer than a week. Patience is important. A good breeder IS going to evaluate your lifestyle honestly and figure out if their dogs are likely to fit well with your lifestyle, and you WANT that. There's nothing worse than a bad fit. You'll be unhappy and the dog will be unhappy. You want breeders to be honest with you if they think their dogs aren't a good fit for you. Be open to hearing why they might think that and honestly evaluate what they say.

Take some time to go to shows and meet people in person. Get to know them. Sometimes when you are younger and you're about to enter a phase in your life that will be very demanding (like grad school) it does take extra effort to show that you're serious about making it work. And, especially when you haven't had a dog before, and you're looking at a high energy, demanding breed like Dobermans. Taking the time to get involved with the breed could be another step - look into fostering for a rescue, or see if breeders might want help ringside. Be open to showing your dedication.

I am glad for your enthusiasm. I do think it would be good to get some experience with the breed.
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Welcome to DT Tada - Now I'm just part of the welcoming committee here - and there are lots of very knowledgeable Dober owners that will jump in to answer your questions


Should I lie in my application so I can get a puppy from a reputable breeder?

Tada ---- Never - Never -- Never Lie on your app !

I have read your above posts - It's great that you have a plan --- But -- it's almost impossible to make plans when raising a puppy - you may get close but that would be by luck - but that's my opinion

Questions -- Where do you live ? House ? Apartment ? At home ? This can be a player when your Appling for a Dober pup

Do you have a fenced in yard ? If you don't - This is almost a automatic DQ .

(I am not an experienced dog owner == Oh boy , this is almost a Automatic DQ -- Reason -- These top of the line breeders put there heart and soles into there dogs - puppies and only want to home them where they have the best chance to succeed , Now ask yourself - If you were the breeder - how would you look at a app like yours ? Not being mean here ! But Realistic .

Doberman pups are or can be a hand full - lol They need so much time when there little - Like I have always said , Doberman not only need attention - they demand it

Don't worry about the Dobermom or dad - lol Aunt Bug is full of it - lol - You can't have Dobermans since 1959 and not consider them family , Aunt Bug is very highly regarded on here - She has some of the best Dober stories you could ever read and the knowledge she has on the breed ! She is priceless !

Good luck in your pursuit of a Doberman - But I'm afraid you have a long road to go . Again - JMHO

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Hi, Tada. Welcome to the forum.

First off, and most importantly, DO NOT LIE TO BREEDERS. I know you want what you want, but its in your own best interests too that you don't lie in order to get a pup/dog.

Since you are not an experienced dog owner AND you are preparing to begin graduate school - without knowing anything else about you, I agree with the breeder who recommended you consider adopting a mature rescue.

I grew up with Dobes and got my first (all my own) Dobe puppy when I was finishing up my bachelors. It was a ton of work to raise her but I managed. I had about 3 year between my BS and MSc, during which time I added a second adult Dobe. So, when I started grad school, I had two adult Dobermans. I also just happened to be in a serious relationship and we were living together by that time, so my partner was able to really help out with their exercise needs and feeding and vet appts. when I would get stuck in the lab for many long hours or was just otherwise swamped with my work. It would not have been possible to successfully complete my MSc and meet their needs without his help. Period.

I could not have realistically committed myself to either my grad work or those two girls to the extent either one needs without his help.

After completing my MSc, I immediately began my PhD. Both girls were seniors by then and I lost both, close together, toward the end of my 2nd year / start of my 3rd year. Again, I could not have handled that without the incredible support of my partner. We now have a 5 yr old Rat Terrier, whom I got at 3.5 yrs old, and just brought home a Dobe pup in August, so she's just now 9 months old.

Fortunately, at this point, I've achieved candidacy so I'm what's considered "ABD" or All But Dissertation, which basically means I'm in that sweet spot of a PhD where I get to focus 100% of my work time on my research. I get to set my own work schedule in the office and lab, I've been fortunate enough to be able to hire a couple of Undergrad workers who I've trained and are now producing small experiments and results for me in the lab, so I can focus on other components of my work that can't be delegated out to anyone but me. So, I'm able to shift my schedule around to fit in my dogs needs and my hobby, which is training and competing in sports with them.

I work approximately 4 hours per day on Saturday and Sunday. And I work anywhere between 8-15 hours per day Monday through Friday. My partner and I have one night per week designated as "date night" (and we run pretty fast and loose with that term because it often just means we make a point to eat some meal together - not necessarily nice or romantic - and we spend our evening playing board games, talking / catching up, or watching a movie, i.e., I fall asleep on the sofa next to him and he tells me what happened the last 1/3 of the movie). He is exceptionally supportive and understanding that he gets so little of my time and energy because my dog hobby is my answer to work stress. I need it in order to keep functioning because my work is all consuming. So, its a hobby but its also about maintaining my mental health by scheduling in time and energy to take care of and train with my dogs, which brings me immense joy in life. I *need* it in my life.

So, why do I drone on about this? Because, really, at this point in time, you don't know what you're getting into with your graduate work or a Doberman.

Graduate work isn't something you just work really hard at and succeed. It is your life for anywhere from 5-8 years depending on your field. I don't know what your field of study will be but there's no such thing as an easy graduate degree or else you're doing it wrong. I don't care if you're Stephen effing Hawking. The point of a graduate degree is to go beyond what is currently known. Its challenging for everyone.

And Dobermans are not a good breed to learn on about dogs in general. You can do all the reading and watching videos you want. You can talk endlessly to experienced Dobe owners. You still won't quite be able to grasp what you're taking on until you do it.

The benefit of having experience with other dogs or breeds before a Dobe, is that you've figured out the basics - you would have already built that foundation of teaching them the basics. Its so much easier to raise a Doberman if you've got your timing figured out with redirecting or rewarding behaviors. If you've already proven yourself successful in committing to an exercise schedule and dependable routine. If you already know who can watch the dog when you travel (which is also, IME, a consistent theme as a grad student), if you know what might require a vet visit NOW vs something maybe you can wait a bit and see.

If you already had Dobe experience and you were starting grad school, okay, that's probably doable.

If you were already comfortable and successfully advancing through grad school and wanted to take on a Dobe without prior dog experience, that might be doable, too.

But I strongly recommend you re-think your current plans of getting a Dobe puppy AND starting graduate school. I'll even go so far as to say I would question the judgement of any breeder who would be willing to sell you a Dobe puppy if you've been honest about your current situation. And you don't want a dog from that kind of breeder. There's enough risk in Dobes anyway without getting a puppy from a sh!t breeder.

Personally, if I were you and based on what I know about graduate work and Dobe puppies based on my firsthand experience with both - wait to make any decisions about a puppy or dog until after you start your program. I would even encourage you to consider waiting to make any decisions about dog ownership until after qualifying exams and your proposal defense. Once you've found your footing in grad school, then come back to the dog stuff and get serious about it. You just don't know what you don't know right now and you're kind of setting yourself up for failure in both because of it.
Thank you, I really needed this! It's nice to have someone who was there before to give me their perspective. And my mom should be happy since I will stop watching dog training videos on youtube...
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I am in the GTA. What breeders have you reached out to? You want to make sure they are reputable and not a byb where I got my first old lovey from.

You have to be honest. That is the key to starting your relationship.

I am a dobermama because I am an empty nester lol.
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That was a brilliant post from brw1982...glad it caught your attention and convinced you to wait until at least you are actively in a graduate program.

Even people with experience with other breeds rarely have a realistic idea of exactly what raising a Doberman puppy is really like.

I, for one, would really recommend either that you see if you can do some fostering of a Doberman for a breed specific rescue and/or take on an older rescue as your first dog before you launch into getting your heart set on a Doberman puppy. You'll learn a lot about the breed, the players in the breed, the difference between good and poor breeders and will for sure be able to make better choices in choosing a breeder to get a puppy from with that under your belt.

But whatever your ultimate decision is--the best of luck to you. Dobe's are great dogs or I wouldn't be out borrowing a puppy to fill the hole in the household that occurred when I lost my 14 year old who I somehow thought was going to be my last Doberman. And that puppy wasn't as time and energy consuming as a baby puppy is. He was just under 6 months when he came to me and had the rudiments of manners and was pretty well house trained and he still has managed to take up all of my fairly copious spare time (I'm mostly retired). But he also solved the problem of the heart broken cat who couldn't figure out where 'HIS' chosen dog had gone and kept hunting for him. The cat is still working full time at training the puppy to be polite to cats.

And ECIN (Kenny by any other name) also knows that I'm a grump at heart and that being called a dobermom is a hot button for me.

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For sure! I will always be here to learn. Lol I will update once I get my dog or my degree lol. It will be a while .......

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Hello!!!!!! I just PMed! Thanks to this forum I know better to avoid RM and Molly King. BTW, I found a kijiji post selling Doberman puppies, so I ran a search on the contact info in google, turned out it belongs to the infamous Molly King. She is still breeding and selling CKC registered puppy! How could it be possible?
I pm'd you back.

There are lots of things to watch out for in Ontario. I actually live in Durham Region but work downtown all week. I'm a go train commuter!
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That was a brilliant post from brw1982...glad it caught your attention and convinced you to wait until at least you are actively in a graduate program.

Even people with experience with other breeds rarely have a realistic idea of exactly what raising a Doberman puppy is really like.

I, for one, would really recommend either that you see if you can do some fostering of a Doberman for a breed specific rescue and/or take on an older rescue as your first dog before you launch into getting your heart set on a Doberman puppy. You'll learn a lot about the breed, the players in the breed, the difference between good and poor breeders and will for sure be able to make better choices in choosing a breeder to get a puppy from with that under your belt.

But whatever your ultimate decision is--the best of luck to you. Dobe's are great dogs or I wouldn't be out borrowing a puppy to fill the hole in the household that occurred when I lost my 14 year old who I somehow thought was going to be my last Doberman. And that puppy wasn't as time and energy consuming as a baby puppy is. He was just under 6 months when he came to me and had the rudiments of manners and was pretty well house trained and he still has managed to take up all of my fairly copious spare time (I'm mostly retired). But he also solved the problem of the heart broken cat who couldn't figure out where 'HIS' chosen dog had gone and kept hunting for him. The cat is still working full time at training the puppy to be polite to cats.

And ECIN (Kenny by any other name) also knows that I'm a grump at heart and that being called a dobermom is a hot button for me.

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Wow, I was so misinformed by news/posts/hearsay that I was under the impression that only the unmanageable or delinquents will end up in the shelter. That's why I stated that I am not experienced enough for adopting. Thanks! I will keep that in mind.

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Wow, I was so misinformed by news/posts/hearsay that I was under the impression that only the unmanageable or delinquents will end up in the shelter. That's why I stated that I am not experienced enough for adopting. Thanks! I will keep that in mind.
These guys are a wild ride even when you have experience lol! My old female was so different than my male puppy even at the same ages. He has definitely given me a run for my money at times! But his little brain is growing a wee tad and we will make it.

A few weeks ago his breeder called to check in. We laughed about him being an idiot at times but that it was normal and Sugar is lucky somedays he is so stinking cute. The breeder appreciates my honesty lol because some homes just say everything is all roses which is not the case. It wasn't with my old gal either when she was young but you forget about those times when they become the best dogs.

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By now Tada, you have probably learned that it's really not at all true that dogs who end up in rescue situations are all unmanagable or delinquets--some lost their homes to an owners death, I know of several who ended up in a Doberman rescue because their owner was in the armed services and got orders to ship out and could not find anyone to take over his adult dog because he'd gotten the information with a very short lead time.

And occasionally a rescue will end up with a bitch who is carrying a litter and have puppies (although those usually go very quickly).

And even the unruly and delinquents--which are often young adult males who simply didn't have owners who didn't care enough to spend the time to train them and make them into good citizens instead of wild and crazy guys. Amazing what someone who is willing to spend the time working with such dogs can make in the dogs life and in turn in the new owners life.

Somewhere around there is a sign I've seen several times--it says: "There are no bad dogs but there are some really bad owners!"

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Wow, I was so misinformed by news/posts/hearsay that I was under the impression that only the unmanageable or delinquents will end up in the shelter. That's why I stated that I am not experienced enough for adopting. Thanks! I will keep that in mind.
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By now Tada, you have probably learned that it's really not at all true that dogs who end up in rescue situations are all unmanagable or delinquets--some lost their homes to an owners death, I know of several who ended up in a Doberman rescue because their owner was in the armed services and got orders to ship out and could not find anyone to take over his adult dog because he'd gotten the information with a very short lead time.

And occasionally a rescue will end up with a bitch who is carrying a litter and have puppies (although those usually go very quickly).

And even the unruly and delinquents--which are often young adult males who simply didn't have owners who didn't care enough to spend the time to train them and make them into good citizens instead of wild and crazy guys. Amazing what someone who is willing to spend the time working with such dogs can make in the dogs life and in turn in the new owners life.

Somewhere around there is a sign I've seen several times--it says: "There are no bad dogs but there are some really bad owners!"

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Yes, Mrs Dobebug, very well-said. It was quite an educational journey for me, I have always wanted to raise a puppy and get the hang of it, then rescue dogs, but now I know there could be other way around.

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