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Hi all, this is my first post, I have been reading lots on here and thank you all for great information. My situation is we lost our male Dobie 2 years ago (age 12 he was a great dog), after researching breeders I found someone I trusted and put a deposit on a male puppy. I have a female lab who loves all dogs so she is easy I just found out that there will only be females available from this litter. So my question to you all who know more than I do is differences between males and females. I really want one of her puppies but want to educate myself more. I didn't find more on here but if there are postings already could you please direct me?
We are not looking to show or compete, we will be doing training and hope eventually to work him or her as a therapy dog.

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Some females are same-sex aggressive, but it's less common than it is in males. I personally enjoy having an opposite sex pair myself (and, I personally wouldn't want a pup out of a litter that was all one sex - there are some interesting biological things that go on there), but I think it would really depend on the puppy and whether you're willing to wait longer, whether you really want a pup from this breeder and how long it'll be for another pup, a lot of those types of factors. If you DO take a female pup, I'd be making sure to ask the breeder for one that isn't super pushy with other dogs and seems to be a "get along with others" type, so you lessen the chances of fighting between the two girls.
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It's tough to say, really it comes down to preference. Who is the breeder?
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It is Mystikos in NH. From what I have seen she is reliable and her dogs are nice. It was a small litter with 1 male and 2 females.
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I think you are in good hands. It's really up to you. If you have your heart set on another male I'm sure she can refer you to another great breeder.
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We had a male pup, and when we lost him we were dead set on another male.

Then Ripley's litter happened. All bitches, tiny litter, and we just couldn't turn her down. I will say Rip, at the same age Deck was when he passed, was less goofy and more serious. She understood things faster than he did. She was also much more cuddly than he was.

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I had an almost 10 year old female and now have an almost 1 year old male. The difference between them is night and day!!

Coco was much more mature at Sugar's age. Sugar is a silly, goofy boy. He is much more cuddly than Coco ever was.

I think no 2 dogs are the same but I find the maturity a huge difference. Sugar can be a goofy handful at times but his off switch is developing and I can see his little brain trying to work so we will get there.
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If it came down to owning only ONE Doberman (hope that never happens) it would be a male Doberman. Love our bitches, but they seem a little more serious (nothing wrong with that) and quite a bit more independent in character.
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As others have said it really comes down to personal preference. From what I've observed and from what I've seen people tend in general to prefer males. But the people who prefer females... are really hardcore about preferring them.

I believe the most significant differences in character and temperament have been outlined well above, especially by Cressrb. And it made me smile because the aspects she described about females as reasons why she prefer males, are the same reasons why I personally do prefer the females.

Personally I prefer females because they mature faster, I like that they're more serious... I also find they have more of an edge to them, a little more sharpness. I like that they're more independent. I also find that they have more of a work ethic to them, if you've managed to build a working relationship with them. They're spicy. One thing I always say is that... a male just wants to love you and be loved on, they're a little needier for affection and attention. But a female's love is EARNED, not freely given. And I love that about bitches, because there is something very special and somewhat intangible that happens when you have managed to earn that love and loyalty... females are truly ride or die when they get to that point, they will always give you their 200%, and they will be wholly, truly and solely "yours". I also prefer that they tend to be on the smaller side.

On the other hand from what I've seen people who prefer males tend to cite the reasons of them being goofier, more readily affectionate, a little friendlier, more of show-offs and boastful, more readily willing to please, less complicated/a little more straightforward, more imposing, more 'powerful'. And one cannot deny that a beautiful mature male in full muscular condition with a strong head is an exquisite thing of beauty. Some will also prefer the larger size.

Of course these are generalisations, and each dog or bitch will have their individual personalities, it's more important to select the puppy with the best suited temperament to your home and your goals.
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Well said, Artemis.
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Nothing for to really add - lol Them other Dober Parents have covered most the bases


I will say we have had both - most times a pair , but if we could only have one - as long as it was heathy , It wouldn't make much difference to us , like people - they have there own thing . No 2 males or females will be the same .

Best of luck AND make sure when you do get one , You post up pictures
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Well said, Artemis.
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The "male vs female" thing is interesting to me. I always wonder if lineage plays more into than sex does, and temperament of individual dogs. Certainly there are some things that are male/female based, but I have a hard time narrowing down what is truly a sex characteristic verses what is really a characteristic of the individual dog.

My female is smarter and easier to train than my male. But she has more drive to work than he does and is sneakier and more devious, too. She takes more "work" from me than he does, because the traits that make her easier to train also make her harder to live with if I don't stay on my toes. She has more energy (even if you compare them at similar ages). She's (surprisingly) the more cuddly of the two, although both are very typically Doberman-clingy. Both of them have great traits and some things I don't appreciate about them, like all dogs do.

I would say unless you have a very strong preference, or will be spending a lot of time with other male dogs, I would really just leave it up to individual puppy temperament and having the breeder place a pup with you that meets what you're looking for in a dog. I honestly don't think you'd be disappointed with a pup of either sex. I enjoy both of mine, in their individual personalities. I get so much joy out of each of them.
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Thanks all! Super interesting responses. I know I am good hands with the breeder, she knows the temperament I want so hoping for a match with one of the females. Paws crossed!
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Thanks all! Super interesting responses. I know I am good hands with the breeder, she knows the temperament I want so hoping for a match with one of the females. Paws crossed!
Keep us posted! I hope there's a puppy for you in the litter!
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Only one Doberman in the world......a big boned black male. I don't know what it is about them but LOVE LOVE LOVE 'em.
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Interesting! I keep males--I've only had one female--we never bonded. The person she liked best in her life was my stepfather. When she saw him she practically wiggled herself into a rubber ball.

I've had males that acted like that when they saw me.

It's interesting to me that it's often the case that someone asking about which sex to select for their first Doberman get recommended that they get a bitch. The reasons vary but seem mostly to reflect a belief that bitches are smaller, sweeter, calmer etc than the boys. I agree that they mature faster but not much else. Most of the Dobe bitches that I've known well have their own agenda and attitude--and seem to believe that their way is the ONLY way.

Most of my males have been fairly inclined to go along and get along. I've had some that were much friendlier than others and some that were tolerant of people in general but didn't want to associate with them--given their druthers there was usually a very small and very select group of people that they really liked.

I agree with MeadowCat in that I think observed actions and temperament seems to me to be more along family (dogs family) lines than male/female lines. And I've always chosen a male.

Don't get me wrong--it isn't a matter of not liking bitches--there are some that I love but I wouldn't want to live with them full time.

Good luck--I hope the bitch of your dreams is in that litter and that you get her.

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Love reading these discussions.

My heart dog was a female and I am 2 months into fostering another female who has bonded (perhaps too much) with me. They're both different in their own ways but are SSA. Compared to the males I know well, I'd say they are more insistent, can be demanding, and mature a bit sooner. All the females I know could not be any more cuddly without slipping into my skin with me.


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The "male vs female" thing is interesting to me. I always wonder if lineage plays more into than sex does, and temperament of individual dogs. Certainly there are some things that are male/female based, but I have a hard time narrowing down what is truly a sex characteristic verses what is really a characteristic of the individual dog.
I agree with this whole-heartedly. Nor do I believe in the caricatures made of red Dobes vs black, which is another oft repeated stereotype in Dobes.

Having lived with two red bitches who had night and day personalities and even shared 1/2 their pedigrees...I just don't believe that either females or red Dobermans are their own monoliths. And the half of my girls' pedigrees that they didn't share were very, very different - and those differences in lines matched up really nicely with the distinctions between my girls.

And Cypress is already distinct from either Fiona or Tali...and her pedigree is pretty different than either of theirs.

I also think, to an extent, people will see the traits they want to (i.e., confirmation bias). And that can also influence the way someone interacts with their Dobe. If I expect my bitch to behave maturely, then I might discourage immature behavior, which might lead to her responding by offering more of the behavior(s) that she thinks I favor.

That's what makes sense to me. It seems overly simplistic to try to dump the whole of the Doberman breed into two groups - boys vs girls. Or reds vs blacks.

Side note, I've heard so many people comment on reds vs blacks but I've never heard anyone make similar claims regarding the dilutes of each.



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3 FM since 1977

First 2 - related lineage in breeding...Canadian breeders, from Ontario & Quebec.
- 1st two easiest to train and smartest
- 2nd one was my heart dog / super intelligent & she loved her family, we came first in her life (as she lived to please)
- knew 100's of English words / we could baby talk to Amy followed by full sentences, she understood all
- Amy was low prey drive, but still submit a bigger German Shepherd/Lab mix from biting my wife
- she analysed every situation, in her life

3rd one from Bruda kennel, in the States.
- pup was aggressive and dominate, hackles up at 11 weeks old...for 2 years riding in my truck, she still wanted to attack a mother pushing a baby carriage, on the sidewalk
- and independently stubborn
- took me over a year to bond and get her to expose her belly for rubs / using a horse whisper technique
- no off stitch, red zone outbursts so frequently...early on // brain slow to mature, because she had no processing logic, in her modes of rage

All 3 pups from top show breeders, with 50 plus championships in Canada & USA.
- so why the night & day differences

I know the 3rd breeder let the pups impose and bully each other during feeding & play times...this is wrong IMO, pups acting on "survival of the fittest", and the weak will die mentality.
- at breeders place to pickup pup, we find our Kelly with her teeth around another male pups throat / we saw way too much fighting & scrapping, winding each other up.
- breeder one and two, exercise different controls...and 9 week old girls, picked up calm
- I think the last breeder, gave us a dangerous pup in the wrong untrained hands / but she knew we were experienced
- I learned to decentralize her natural guarding, without fear of getting wounded
- because I teach "soft bite//muzzle control", from 10 weeks old
- Kelly would have been a surrender (before she turned 9 months old) or put down, if sold into the wrong hands
- so we didn't get the easy pup, like we asked for / rather the one, that needed us

Pick your pup wisely, none are the same.
- I like the ones that liked to be handled and kissed on the face / and a pup that likes to kiss back
- training falls into rapid position than // when they need their master most

------------Kelly & (Amy - RIP @ 11.7 y/o)

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We have had all females from day one of being a Dober Parent - that was until we got Mr. Business , He was a problem child - lol He had been raised around other males - Mainly his dad and another show dog at the kennel . When we picked him up - I will NEVER forgot this - As we were in the truck , ready to head home , Cindy looked at us and said , You make him mind ! I thought about that on the way home , Cindy is a Pro and did she know something right then ? After a few days home - I will say , Yes she did - lol My wife was beside herself some days - We would let him go out to potty - which he didn't do , run in the house a 100 mph , run under the table and poop ! I had a talk with Ali , Told her I needed her help , Show him how it's done . I then started letting them out together and sure enough , he started picking up what she was doing . He was just slow learning some things .

Now Kasia was a one in a million - one accident in her crate and that was it . but she was a independent little gal - she played with us on her terms but she was also a loving Dober.

Ali girl came her in the winter = Oh boy ! She was a smart one - I would tell her lets go out and potty - she would run to her crate and do her business in it so she didn't have to go out -- lol As Ali got older - she was a very , very loving dog .

Since Ali's passing - Mr. B has changed - he lost his best friend - play mate - which we are now , yet he is glued to us now . By far the most super loving Dober I have ever seen on this farm . This has me worried a little bit - How will he react to a new little sister one day ? Will he be happy ? Will he not ? I really think that's things that happen somewhere down the line that can effect how a Dober Acts - Like With Kasia - We had a Tornado go right behind the house , threw one of our fields , From then on - when it stormed - she was super glued to dad - even thou she was my wife's little pretty - lol

Can't wait to see the new little puppy they get and PICTURES
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I wonder here -

1. Did JJ get a puppy ?

2. Did JJ get a Male from a different Breeder ?

3. Or did they stay with the one breeder and get a Female ?

4. Inquiring Minds want to know
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Hi all, I was just going through this thread again and thanks for asking about new pup! I will know this week what the decision is on a match. The only reason I am still thinking male is because of my resident female ( and the 2 other Dobies I have owned were males so I feel I know them better, but as some of you said they are all different). But there is a female from this litter I want to meet. This breeder is responsible and I am sure she will steer me right!
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