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We have reached a bad point. Shavo is going to need to be rehomed, in a home with no children. My daughters safety is our number one priority and we can't allow him to be in our home with her anymore. He was doing perfectly fine with her, and we have been working with a behavior specialist but he will randomly snap at her. I don't want to have him put down if possible because he is a great dog, he just cannot be around children. I don't know how to get him rehomed and don't want to take him to a shelter because he will be put down if we do that.
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As I and a few others said in this thread (https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-c...help-asap.html), I'm concerned about his temperament. Personally, I think he needs to be evaluated by a qualified veterinary behaviorist before you consider rehoming him. In many states you are liable for any bites after rehoming a dog, even if you disclose prior bites. I'm very concerned about the risk with him, and whether you work with a rescue or do a private rehoming I really think he needs a full assessment.

You can find board certified veterinary behaviorists here: https://www.dacvb.org/search/custom.asp?id=4709

In my opinion, that's the responsible move before anything else happens.
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We dont have any certified veterinary behaviorists near us, for over 200 miles. That's not something I can do. We work with a trainer who has a masters degree in animal behavior however, and he said Shavo has a good temperament, he just doesn't trust my daughter.
At this point, my husband is ready to have him put down, which I don't want. I want him to go to another home so he can live a happy life without this threat of being put down.
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Please contact Marsha Sheppard here in Utah. 801-553-6444
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She handles all the rescues for Utah Doberman Club.
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I forgot to ask. Did you contact the breeder first and foremost. Undoubtedly they will want to know the problem.

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His breeder has kids, and another litter of puppies they are taking care of right now. They won't take him back.
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Did you purchase him from a Utah breeder? I may be able to foster him as I have no children in the home, but I do have other dogs and cats. How is he with other animals?
You are welcome to send me a PM and I will do all I can to help.
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What is the name of the trainer you are working with?

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We work with Andrew Maunder from Utah county dog training. He's been fine with other dogs in dog parks and the other dog I have at home, but we don't have cats or other animals so I don't know how he would do. He was purchased from a breeder here in Utah.
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Beautiful dog.........you should be able to find a home for him......hang in there and keep working with forum members........there’s got to be a way to find a great home for your dog.
Meanwhile keep kiddo’s safe and away from your Dobe .....if pup bites and causes an incident rehoming might then become very difficult.
Thanks for your efforts to find a home versus putting the dog down......bummer that things have not worked out for your family.

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It seems like you have made a difficult but very good decision. In reading the old thread, the problems were pretty serious back in June:

“He's calmed down a ton, no longer lunging at her when he sees her but still barks if she gets close. We are waiting for a behaviorist that will be able to help us with him. She has been able to feed him treats and give him a toy but he won't allow her to pet him.”

Lunging, barking at your daughter, avoidance of contact, all of those behaviors are extremely LOUD communications from the dog that he is severely uncomfortable and anxious around your daughter. Being put in a situation where he is constantly stressed about it means he’s constantly adrenalized - biting, for a dog, is the next step in communication if the dog is not getting the safety he feels he needs by barking, lunging, and avoiding.

Please provide him a safe area away from your daughter until he is rehomed. That is an urgent need for both of them. This photo you posted shows a dog in a HUGE AMOUNT of distress to be in this situation. Whale eye, ears pinned back, tense lines around the mouth. This is the exact way to force a dog to bite, because he cannot get out of the stress zone.

Please please practice strict separation until this dog can be rehomed. It seems likely he has been accidentally been repeatedly stressed in this living situation. He may feel he has to bite to get the stress removed because nothing else has worked.

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That image was taken before any of these issues before she even hit him. They are separated and have been since the issues started.
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I read the thread and I just get the feeling there's more to this situation. I'm NOT calling anyone a liar. I'm NOT saying you've missed something. It just feels "off" to me like something is missing. I don't know.....maybe it's just me.
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That image was taken before any of these issues before she even hit him. They are separated and have been since the issues started.
That’s great that you are protective of both your daughter and your Doberman! Sounds like you’re on top of it.

It doesn’t really matter when the photo was taken, I was just trying to share some observations about the dog’s discomfort in the situation. The body language is a textbook illustration of how dogs communicate their discomfort in a number of ways long before they resort to a bite. It is pretty dramatic communication when you know what to look for.

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I spoke with the breeder, the breeder is willing to take him back, but she has children in the home so I personally don't think its a good idea to send him there. Someone else in the house stepped on his paw on accident today and now he is behaving in a similar way towards her. This is a grown adult and not a child that stepped him his paw, and did not hurt him. He is not limping, not licking the paw and not showing ANY sign of distress. She has never once hit him, never done anything to break his trust. This is a grown adult that feeds him and spends a long time with him and has been around him since day 1 and sees him daily. This is an extreme temperament issue at this point and I believe he needs to be moved to a new home immediately, if not put down.
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I spoke with the breeder, the breeder is willing to take him back, but she has children in the home so I personally don't think its a good idea to send him there. Someone else in the house stepped on his paw on accident today and now he is behaving in a similar way towards her. This is a grown adult and not a child that stepped him his paw, and did not hurt him. He is not limping, not licking the paw and not showing ANY sign of distress. She has never once hit him, never done anything to break his trust. This is a grown adult that feeds him and spends a long time with him and has been around him since day 1 and sees him daily. This is an extreme temperament issue at this point and I believe he needs to be moved to a new home immediately, if not put down.
It's really a breeder's responsibility to take him back. That's what a good breeder would do. She should have him evaluated, and if his temperament is so bad that he needs to be euthanized, that's something she needs to know, at the very least. You may also have legal obligations in your contract (if you had one).


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Probably not the breeders first rodeo.......in all fairness to the dog...... please consider a return to the breeder or rescue before a bite is on record.
Please get the dog out of your home obviously this dog is stressed ........a different environment with a professional might be a good change for everyone.
You have an easy out with the breeder.......make your move.

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The breeder says she has never had any issues with any of her other litters. However, I know she's not the best breeder, because Shavo was extremely underweight when we got him and she over breeds her dogs. We never signed any contracts when we got him, so we don't have any obligations to the breeder.
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