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i have been advised to get josera youngstar for my pup as this is what he is on with the breeder. i know there is a lot of differing views when it comes to food and i know that the likes of orijen/acana are considered the sort of pinnacle (in the UK and without going into raw) but i wondered if anyone has tried this food or what it likes like ingredient wise? I'm going to order some regardless because ill need to wean him off it at least.

"Ingredients:
Potato [dried] (44.0%),
poultry meal [dried] (28.0%),
poultry fat,
beet fibre,
carob flour,
poultry protein [hydrolysed],
potato protein,
yeast,
vegetable protein [hydrolysed],
minerals,
chicory root [ground] (source of inulin).

Additives:
Nutritional additives: Vitamin A (20000 IU), vitamin D3 (1500 IU), vitamin E (180mg), vitamin B1 (10mg), vitamin B2 (15mg), vitamin B6 (15mg), vitamin B12 (90mcg), niacin (85mg), pantothenic acid (40mg), folic acid (4mg), biotin (800mcg), vitamin C (200mg), iron (480mg), zinc (160mg), manganese (16mg), copper (20mg), iodine (2mg), selenium (0.25mg)."


Failing that is their any suggestions to switch him on to? needs to be available in the UK
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I'm used to US labeling, but it doesn't seem horrible. I'm assuming you can get Purina Pro Plan in the UK? If so, that would be a good option.
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I'm not crazy about potato being the major carb. in dog foods and I don't (by choice) feed grain free which is kind of what this one looks like.)

Rosemary said that Purina does sell ProPlan in the UK and my fall back food for adults and puppies for years now has been ProPlan Focus Sensitive Skin and Stomach (salmon and rice) or the Focus Chicken and Rice--most dogs seem to do well on it at any age.

And my experience with Dobes is that they have seemed to do better on a fairly moderate formulation--I see and hear too many people having problems feeding some of the highly rated diets.

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Someone say some'thin bout potato's.............I love potato's ......with sour cream and bacon bits please.

Anyway.....I just switched to Pro Plan Focus .....Chicken.............prettiest dobe poops I have ever seen !!!!

Was using Earthborn...............soft poops.............farty.

Pro Plan Focus ..........nice poops.........another perk......less dobe farts......ahhhhh a breath of fresh air.......I order from Amazon.........so far so good!
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Man, I'm another potato lover Lady Di. But not for my dogs

For me almost anyway is fine--baked with lots of butter AND sour cream and bacon bits. Steak fries. Home fries, Hash browns, Peas and New Potatoes in cream sauce. Mashed potatoes. Potato salad. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, I did but you'll have to ask Beau what the name of it is--I forget--but they are French fry type potatoes covered with brown gravy (sometimes with brown gravey and some sort of cheese) Beau said I have terrible taste but they were the high point of my tripa to show in Canada.

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Bug, I think you mean poutine?

Yeah, I'm not wild about potatoes in my dogs' kibble either, although they will sometimes get leftover mashed potatoes. But I have seen some truly horrendous kibbles (check out "Doggy Bag".....), so by comparison, the kibble mentioned is pretty decent.
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Bug, I think you mean poutine?

Yeah, I'm not wild about potatoes in my dogs' kibble either, although they will sometimes get leftover mashed potatoes. But I have seen some truly horrendous kibbles (check out "Doggy Bag".....), so by comparison, the kibble mentioned is pretty decent.
YES! That's it...poutine. Thank you very much---and I can never remember the name when I'm writing a post (or even when I'm not writing a post). I confess I always shared the poutine with Perry (one of the dogs who got shown in Canada)--he'd have been ecstatic if I'd just given him the entire paper tray of poutine.

Take a look at the contents on a bag of Ol' Roy (I heard rumor that they've revamped it some and it's not so bad--it must be well over 10 years when I read the label--I was waiting for a friend to decide which light weight wire kennel she wanted and she had two employees pulling everything down for her to look at--it was too embarrassing to stay in that aisle so I moved over to the food aisle and was reading lables.

There is some really 'uck food on the market and it obviously sells because I see people buying it.

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Hi greenboy!

Ok... So my youngest was fed Acana from 14 months up until recently. He did extremely well on it. However, it is an extremely rich and high protein kibble. A lot of dogs really don't handle it well. Personally, I would never put a puppy on that diet.

What worked for McCoy from the time he came home until I switched his bas kibble was Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy. He thrived on it. Never an issue. This was at the recommendation of his breeder, whom I trust totally have owned 3 of her pups.

Some folks dis this kibble, but it is a 4 star food and geared towards dogs like Dobermans, who are although "medium" sized dogs are usually treated as "large" breed dogs due to their bone structure and early growth patterns.

I am currently feeding Purina ProPlan (Savor Salmon w/rice) with great results.

So... All this is just my experience and my singular opinion. McCoy will be 5 in a couple of weeks.

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thanks for the suggestions it seems Purina is quite well revered across this forum so i will look to change him onto that. do you find that the Purina range is still good when moving on to adult food? as a price point its about half the price of orijen. Without putting too much into the cost side of things, as i realise that price isn't everything, would you say it is equal, close too or worlds apart? i want him to eat well and will spend the money but some just seem really excessive.

Less of the potato chat if possible too lol im 4 weeks into keto and could nail a jacket potato right now. cheese, sour cream, rice and chili.
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thanks for the suggestions it seems Purina is quite well revered across this forum so i will look to change him onto that. do you find that the Purina range is still good when moving on to adult food? as a price point its about half the price of orijen. Without putting too much into the cost side of things, as i realise that price isn't everything, would you say it is equal, close too or worlds apart? i want him to eat well and will spend the money but some just seem really excessive.

Less of the potato chat if possible too lol im 4 weeks into keto and could nail a jacket potato right now. cheese, sour cream, rice and chili.
I also feed Proplan to my two dogs. I used to feed Orijen, years ago. I don't personally feel comfortable feeding it anymore, with the new information that has come out about companies like Champion Pet Foods (and many others) who do not employ nutritionists to formulate their dog foods and do not do extensive feeding trials on their foods. We're finding that out now as the FDA is investigating many cases of DCM in breeds not typically diagnosed with DCM that are improving or even reversing after being switched off those foods. While Dobermans are genetically predisposed to DCM, I personally feel much more comfortable feeding a food that has a huge team of nutritionists and extensive feeding trials, as well as knowing that many many people have fed it for years and have had dogs live long lives on it.

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Like you said, it is generally recommended that so long as the food the breeder is feeding isn't just horrible, you keep a new puppy on it for a month or so after you get him, so he doesn't have to deal with the stresses of a new home AND a new food at the same time. Then transition to a new food if you want to taking about 2-3 weeks to make the switch.

But I don't know if the food your breeder recommended is "horrible" or not. I myself don't like to feed potato as a main ingredient, but other folks here can probably give you a better idea about whether it would be better to make a switch and whether it is a "do it now!" or a "take your time" kind of thing.

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I also feed Proplan to my two dogs. I used to feed Orijen, years ago. I don't personally feel comfortable feeding it anymore, with the new information that has come out about companies like Champion Pet Foods (and many others) who do not employ nutritionists to formulate their dog foods and do not do extensive feeding trials on their foods. We're finding that out now as the FDA is investigating many cases of DCM in breeds not typically diagnosed with DCM that are improving or even reversing after being switched off those foods. While Dobermans are genetically predisposed to DCM, I personally feel much more comfortable feeding a food that has a huge team of nutritionists and extensive feeding trials, as well as knowing that many many people have fed it for years and have had dogs live long lives on it.

That's my PERSONAL feeling. Others may feel differently, and that's okay.
Yeah MC... That is exactly why switched McCoy to Pro Plan. Although the tally is not in, why not? Plus, McCoy will eat anything and seems to do well. The transition from Acana to Pro Plan was nothing.

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