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I've noticed that MOST people that buy from BYB's have tons of issues with puppy biting. Gretchen, who's from a BYB was def. my worst about biting. I really had no issues with Mav and Kya. Would you all say your experience has been the same when purchasing from a reputable breeder? I wonder why this is? Even most BYBs leave the littermates together until they're 8 weeks old so I don't think that would be the case? Maybe it's because Rep. breeders handle the puppies much more and maybe the puppies realize at an earlier age that biting isn't ok? Would love to hear your alls thoughts about this. Maybe it's because the breeder is so much more hands on and the puppies see the interaction with their mom and humans that they learn the same behavior?
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I think they are all very mouthy when young.
It may just the be the experience level of the human. If you have had a dobe pup before you know what you are in for and understand that getting that stuff under control from the start is key to reducing some of those forearm scratches and bites.
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I think they are all very mouthy when young.
It may just the be the experience level of the human. If you have had a dobe pup before you know what you are in for and understand that getting that stuff under control from the start is key to reducing some of those forearm scratches and bites.

I never thought about that aspect of it too. Maybe I'm more experienced or maybe I even care less about it lol.
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The are never to young to learn good behavior.
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Agree with Alan j. All of ours have been sharks , but Mr. Business falls under the category of Great White Dober Sharks ! And he came from about as good as it gets breeder . You could be walking Down the hallway , then you hear the music from jaws start playing in your mind , then out of know where , he would strike ! Not kidding here , the little chit ! Sometimes , he would run by you and then up jump up and get you on the arm then that would cause me to use bad words

Know what you have been waiting on ! My thoughts , lol. I have wonder if it how they were raised at the breeders , I’m wondering if the puppies played together or was kept together more was the problem , they play , fight , you name it. Now I do know that Miss Ali was penned more = less ruff housing . Btw Ali was only a baby shark , maybe only got me a few times .

Kadin and Kasia had lots of puppy time with there brothers and sisters and both were sharks , Kasia was now nearly as bad as Mr B . But would draw blood .

Funny story , he tried to pull that shark stuff on Miss Ali twice , only twice ! One time , it would have been a viral hit on you tube ! Mr. B did one of his drive by shark attacks on her , got her on her rear leg , she then took off after him , that poor puppies eyes were as big as silver dollars as she drew down on him , he kept looking over his shoulder and she was gaining quick , so he threw her a quick turn move on her and then we know what happened , right ? He fell down , rolled and rolled and rolled , what a wreck , lmao , I think Ali felt sorry for him and just let it go ,

Second time ? He was not so lucky , again he ran up from behind and grabbed her , but he underestimated how quick Ali was , she turned and bite at him and made contact , right on his left ear ! Pulled out his post , and here he came running to dad , crying all the way , I was down on my knees when he got to me ,then jumped on my lap , blood everywhere btw. I had on a white T- Shirt , looked more like I worked in butcher shop when he got down , he really never messed with her again .

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The are never to young to learn good behavior.
So Alan , what your saying with this video is , when they bite you on the teat , then you should growl and snap at them , right ?
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My boy went through a phase where he bite you with his front teeth...the little ones! A truly painful pinch! I think i may understand that mothers need for some respect.
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I think it's more just the temperament of the puppy - some are worse biters than others. I've had a BYB puppy and two well bred pups. None have been particularly bad biters and they've all had very different temperaments. (Or, maybe I'm less bothered by biting?) One was (and continues to be) and pretty bad chewer of things, so he needs to have appropriate chew toys available and certain items simply cannot be left out. The other is a sucker and will suck any fleece blanket left out, so management of the household is required there....

But biting? No worse than expected. Dunno?
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The worst "shark" have ever had was McCoy. McCoy is a Foxfire dog from a well known litter.
He came home at 10+ weeks, very well socialized for his age. He slept though his first night in an open crate. Was house broken in weeks and had full access to our home by 5 months.

Still... My arms looked like steak tartar for months. LOL

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I wonder if it's more that people that buy from BYB just aren't ready for a Dobe pup and what that might entail for biting? They may have never had a Doberman, or have never had a breed that is a "biting" breed before, or their breeder doesn't prepare them for what to expect or support them or...? Just spitballing ideas....


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yup ^^^^ I could not agree more.

Some people can't stand it (Uh... bug. LOL) Me? I just roll with it with nice tube of Neosporin....

I went over to meet my good friend's new pup "Ozzy" a few weeks ago. Came home with a 1 inch gash in my forearm. Oh well...

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This is a fun tread to read , But ! I would guess that if you took a pole on here as to which sex was more aggressive as a puppy shark , it will be the males , hands down

Reason , Males are more ruff and tuff , they don’t mean it , but they are built bigger and stronger , they just don’t realize they are playing that hard , ruff .

MC , Kadin is our sucker he will suck on his blanket till he falls asleep with it , lol
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Now I'm wondering if my puppies bite less or if I just care less lol. I wonder if our body language changes after owning a Doberman that we unintentionally do things that prevents the puppies from biting as much or maybe we're just less bothered by it all.

Thanks for your comments everyone, very enlightening.
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Naw, I don't agree that Dobe puppy biters come from BYBs. I do think the typical buyer that a BYB has is not well prepared for a doberman puppy in general.

Jessie (who is well bred) was TERRIBLE at puppy biting. Most of the videos I have of her at a young age are of her biting my ankles in the backyard. She was relentless and nothing worked (like ignoring her etc), plus she was a super energetic puppy. We had a toy that we called her "pacifier" that we would just stick in her mouth and hold her when we were sitting on the couch trying to relax.

She outgrew that and became a wonderful doberman. She is amazing and as she has matured I say she is almost human in her level of intuition and closeness to us. She has a fantastic temperament that she has passed on to her offspring. She just recently completed her first 2 agility titles at 7 and is the love of our life.
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Now I'm wondering if my puppies bite less or if I just care less lol. I wonder if our body language changes after owning a Doberman that we unintentionally do things that prevents the puppies from biting as much or maybe we're just less bothered by it all.

Thanks for your comments everyone, very enlightening.
Its not that you care less. , we all learned it just goes with the territory lol

I don’t know if. It’s the body language , but for me , I’m always on guard! Where will the next attack happen


btw G Red , did you ever get unpacked yet ? LOL

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I think there isn't any way to make a realistic estimate of which puppy will be a bad, intermediate or mild biter.

I've had pretty much all puppies from "better" breeders and I've had everything in the book when it comes to biting.

And John knows me too well--I really don't like to be bitten, mouthed, chewed on, in short--my dogs learn quickly to keep their mouths to themselves. My first dog (came from the Seattle Pound--was a black thing that was supposed to a cocker but quickly grew to the size of an Irish Setter. Today I'd tell you it was a Flat Coated Retriever but I don't think I'd ever heard of the breed at the time. He didn't bite and it took very little to teach him not to mouth me either.

The second puppy I was around was a Boxer my parents got--that puppy bit--and it tried to bite if you played with it (sorry, her). She quit biting me when I started disappearing if she did. I taught her to chase balls and bring them back--she bit my step dad, she chewed on my mother and the step brother who was still living at home--and continued to bite, mouth and chew until she was close to a year old.

My first Dobe was an overlap with the Boxer--he didn't seem to be nearly at bitey as the Boxer--so except for the fact that his litter sister was owned by a friend--and she was definitely not a shark--what I saw of the litter would say they just didn't much bite.

My experience with a puppy left with litter mates AND their mother is that they tend to be the ones least likely to be sharks. Litter mates won't play with other puppies who are too rough and bite too hard so that it hurts their playmate will find that their playmate goes away and won't play any more and/or may retaliate by biting back. Their mom's will definitely bite back hard enough to make a puppy remember it if the puppy bites them. Pups with this kind of early experience are generally easily trained not to bite--sometimes by getting a toy shoved in their mouth or sometimes getting a timeout in a crate. And sometimes by finding their play mate has gone away and there is no one left to play with.

But there is definitely an entire range of sharkiness in puppies and it doesn't seem so much all BYB's or all well bred puppies.

My last several dogs have come from the same breeder as McCoy came from--and along with the puppies that were mine and stayed mine--I sometimes dog sat a puppy if the breeder was on a long circuit and had more puppies at home--sometime these were litter mates to the dog I had--sometimes they didn't bite at all and sometimes they were sharks like McCoy. So biteyness seems to be a very individual thing in puppies.

If anyone ever figures it out, please feel free to tell me about it.

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