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Nutra Nuggets by Diamond Pet Foods?? Anyone?

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I picked up our new 8 week Dobie red and the breeder was feeding him Nutra Nuggets by Diamond Pets. Anyone have any experience with them. This is a food I wouldn't feed to my dog but I read here how everyone says to keep them on the food for a while. I was thinking of switching him to TOTW Puppy or an ALS food. I known this has been discussed at length so I guess my main question is, is there any reason to not feed him TOTW Puppy? if not TOTW, then what.

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What does TOTW stand for? I figured out ALS in this situation refers to all life stages.
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When Iíve got my puppy, I was told never to feed a Doberman with grain free dog food as it is associated with DCM.
So we have gone through a lot of different brand - not for fun but because he hated it and would not eat them. Now we are on Diamond adult.
I did not feed mine with puppy food after 4 month of age. Large and giant breed dogs tend to grow too fast on puppy food causing them uneven growth and sometimes even pano.


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An ALS food is better for this breed than a puppy food (UNLESS it's large breed puppy, and even then, we avoided it).

I am not a fan of TOTW.
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Iím really new to this app, I have answered but no idea where it went
Anyways when Iíve got my puppy I was told not to feed a Doberman with grain free food as it is associated with DCM. -I see lots of argument about that,but for now until further studies I will avoid it
We have gone through a lot of different type of food before we find one he actually ate.
I also donít feed puppy food after 4 month of age as large and giant breed dogs tend to grow too fast from puppy food causing uneven growth and sometimes even pano.
For now weíve settled on the diamond adult food.


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When Iíve got my puppy, I was told never to feed a Doberman with grain free dog food as it is associated with DCM.
So we have gone through a lot of different brand - not for fun but because he hated it and would not eat them. Now we are on Diamond adult.
I did not feed mine with puppy food after 4 month of age. Large and giant breed dogs tend to grow too fast on puppy food causing them uneven growth and sometimes even pano.


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Dobermans have a strong genetic predisposition to DCM. The main concern with diet-linked DCM is that it's showing up in breeds that don't have a strong genetic predisposition to DCM.

Even on adult or ALS food, puppies can develop pano. My GSD was raised on adult food, and had it off and on until she was nearly 15 months.


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Dobermans have a strong genetic predisposition to DCM. The main concern with diet-linked DCM is that it's showing up in breeds that don't have a strong genetic predisposition to DCM.



Even on adult or ALS food, puppies can develop pano. My GSD was raised on adult food, and had it off and on until she was nearly 15 months.


I have Newfs which is a very heavy breed. So I can only speak from experience. Not giving them puppy food has decreased the growth issues. I didnít say itís a 100% preventive method, itís not and there are always exceptions to every rule, however giving a quality adult food will give you a higher chance for not developing growth issues than it would on a puppy food.

Iíd think this is a topic which can be argued over and over, there are breeders and owners who had success on one thing and than there are the others who failed with those methods and swear by the opposite.
I always suggest to ppl itís best to consult with the breeder of the pup first...They should be able to give advice and insight on feeding caring etc.


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Isn't TOTW one of the brands made by Diamond?
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Here is the thread with the information on grain-free/boutique foods and DCM: https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...d-renamed.html

I feed Proplan. I know a lot of Doberman people that feed Proplan. I'm very happy with it. I used to feed other foods prior to learning/understanding more about dog nutrition. I highly recommend the book "Dog Food Logic" by canine nutritionist Linda Case.


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The reason that you see the recommendation to keep feeding your new puppy the same thing a breeder was feed for at least a month is because being taken from their mother, their litter mates and very probably going to a home where there is water different than what they are used to with people they didn't know is enough change to create some digestive problems--soft stools, sometimes vomiting, sometimes diarrhea. It's mainly just an attempt to limit the number of changes at the same time.

If I got a puppy from a breeder and I didn't think the food that the breeder had been feeding was particularly good, instead of changing it immediately I might add supplements (in the form of eggs, cooked meat like turkey, beef, chicken, cottage cheese or yogurt) and change it to something I thought was better slowly starting at around three weeks.

I don't think Nutronuggets is particularly good food but I have seen too may people hav problems feeding TOTW to adult dog and puppies--doesn't seem to agree with all dogs.

I started feeding dogs back when there was puppy food or dog food--I fed adult from the beginning at the recommendation of my vet (who dealt with mot of the show Great Danes in the area--he said no puppy food=--wrong formulation for puppy large and giant breeds). Much later some of the companies started manufacturing large breed puppy formulas which were much more suitable for the large and giant breeds--so I did change and the large breed formula worked reasonably well but eventually I went back to just feeding adult formulas from the get go.

And if the breeder was feeding the puppies a labeled puppy food I change my puppies to adult food (if they came to me on puppy food) at around 4-5 monhs--so none of my dogs stay on puppy food for very long.

About the DCM/grain free. The studies so far are in reference ONLY to breeds who bhave never been known as genetic tendencies toward DCM--There are breeds in which DCM is virtually unknown and there was and is a definite link between acquired DCM and grain free food (although it's still a question if it's just because of the food being grain free or if it doesn't contain some necessary mino nutritional element).

Doberman DCM is definitely at least in part genetic as are several other breeds--the recommendation to not feed grain free is mainly to avaoid foods that are not developed by real nutritionists and tested for appropriate results on living dogs and not just from computer models.

So most of the cardiologists (the ones my dos see included) recommend sticking with the bigger companies with long history of nutritionist for formulating food AND testing it in feeding trials (which means it didn't go to market6 5 minutes after the formula was developed.)

Hope this helps with your decisions.

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Here is the thread with the information on grain-free/boutique foods and DCM: https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...d-renamed.html

I feed Proplan. I know a lot of Doberman people that feed Proplan. I'm very happy with it. I used to feed other foods prior to learning/understanding more about dog nutrition. I highly recommend the book "Dog Food Logic" by canine nutritionist Linda Case.


My pupís breeder starts with Royal Canine and about 4 month they go on ProPlan. That is what she suggested for my pup as well. However Storm (my pup) hates it so much that he refused to eat for days. We have tried the chicken and the salmon and it was a no..
I wasnít about to torture a 4 month old puppy because I was desperate to feed that food. So I kept getting different foods until we finally find a food he liked.

Other than that I had 3 of my Newfs bloat on TOTW .. 2 of them had a successful surgery and one never made it to the vet office. I have never fed that food since and I donít think I ever will. Again... it can be just bad luck who knows


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