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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 08-01-2018, 09:37 AM Thread Starter
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HIi! We have a male and female doberman, both registered. We were planning on getting our female fixed since she was a tad bit smaller than average for a doberman and we had decided against breeding them. Wellll, I thought I kept them separated long enough during her last heat and long story short we just had a litter of puppies. We will be registering the litter and taking them to the vet probably tomorrow to have the tails docked, dew claws removed, and shots.

My concern is that she had 13 living puppies! We were not expecting such a large litter and I am a little overwhelmed. What can I do to help her and make sure all of the puppies are getting enough nutrients? I am getting some puppy formula today just in case some of the smaller ones have a hard time getting everything they need. Two of the puppies are huge and I can already see them hogging milk. She's doing great and not having any problems letting them nurse. Any advice is welcome. Thank you!
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Welcome to DT. I would recommend you call your local doberman club and ask if there is someone who would be able to help you. On the DPCA.org website there should be a list of chapter clubs where you can find one near you.

Please spay and neuter the puppies before selling them to ensure their new owners do not have an accidental litter like you.
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Hi,

You came to the right place, but be prepared to hear some things you may not like.

First of all, I'll address the pups. 13? That's crazy. You are gonna need a lot of help in the coming weeks. I would contact your vet right away (before you go in) and ask their opinion on what you should do, and if the pups will need milk supplementation. To get all the pups to have a chance to nurse, you could try feeding in shifts. When momma lays down to nurse the puppies, notice which pups get in there to eat first. Once they are done (will probably fall asleep), you could try placing them in an ex-pen or something so that the others have a chance to get fed. I've read that sometimes the momma will know which pups aren't getting milk, and will wait for the others to fall asleep, then move somewhere else to feed the ones who didn't get a chance. All of this will depend on how your bitch is with her puppies. Is she really protective? Will she allow you or your family near the pups? Also - what kind of environment do you have mom and babies in? Are they in your house? Is the dad around or separated?

Second - You really should get at least one of your dogs spay/neutered as soon as possible. Everything may turn out just fine with this litter, but simply putting two dogs together is not an ethical or responsible breeding practice. So much more goes into planning a breeding than size of your dogs. If breeding is something you want to pursue, you should stick around and do some reading, and look into getting into confirmation and or dog sports, and putting titles on your dogs, as well as all recommended health testing. It would also be wise to find a mentor in the responsible breeding community that can help you with all of this. But first, one or both of your dogs needs to be fixed so that this does not happen again. It is up to you to be responsible enough that your dogs aren't just pumping out puppies after each heat - if you cannot keep them separated, then action needs to be taken to prevent future litters. There are already enough unwanted dogs in the world, and breeding non-health tested dogs has much higher potential for disasters.

You will probably need help finding good homes for all 13 pups as well - your vet or a local doberman rescue organization can probably help with this. Do try to refrain from using broker sites (kijiji (sp?), akc puppy finder, craigslist, facebook, etc) to place the puppies, because you do not really know where these puppies will end up. You don't want them to wind up being part of a puppy mill, or with abusive or neglectful owners. Working with a professional agency that does screenings and home visits would be best for the pups. Also, do not let any of the pups go to homes before 8 weeks - it is illegal in many states (if you are in the US), and generally way too soon to separate them from their mother and siblings.

All these things aside, I really wish you the best with this litter. You are going to have your hands full, and I hope that this experience will teach you a lesson. What you need to do now is talk to a vet, and possibly connect with a rescue organization to figure out what these pups will need to thrive from this moment on.
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I second GK's recommendation to call your local chapter club. Here is a link to the chapter club listings: The DPCA | Chapter Clubs

I think if you explain your intent to spay and neuter your dogs hopefully someone experienced can help you, not just with keeping everyone healthy, but hopefully also with how to screen homes properly. You should also be sure that you have written contracts with everyone that you place puppies with. Again, experienced people can help you write that.

Please be very careful when going into the vet's office to protect your newborn pups. I hope you are working with a vet that is experienced with taking care of puppies, as well as docking tails, etc.


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Thank you for all of this information!
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Thank you! I know I will have some unpleasant responses, I expected that. I'll just keep in mind that those people are coming form a good place. I will definitely be contacting our local chapter club for their advice. We have already contacted the vet to get information on when they need to come in and what all will need to be done. Our male has been genetically tested since he has been studded out before; so he has had all health testing done. Our female has not since we were not planning on breeding and had a date set to get her fixed. We will also be contacting the vet before doing any supplementing. Our vet has experience with dobermans and puppies. We will be keeping all pups until 8 weeks at least.
Our female let me near the puppies without an issue, but she did bare her teeth at first to my husband. We have a closer bond than she does with my husband though. And now she is letting both of us handle them. She is currently inside, and our male is separated from them. She is doing great with them so far. I was not expecting so many, so I know she must feel overwhelmed too. My husbands grandparents were reputable GSD breeders so he is familiar with the process and what all goes into making sure the puppies go to good homes. We will definitely have a written contract for each puppy. And they will be spayed and neutered.
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