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Omg ... here we go!

I am going to attempt to post Zeus's ears tonight. They are totally healed. They probably have been for about a week now, but I wanted to make extra super sure! And now I'm re-reading through all the posts and replies that were made previously when I had all sorts of questions and getting materials ready to be cut and prepped. ... and trying to wear him out a bit so that he's not as spirited as he usually is when he thinks everything that I do to his body is some sort of new game!

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I'll post a picture of what I manage to get done tonight. Any feedback will be helpful!
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Ok, so..

I'm not sure if I did an okay job or not...

His ears didn't really stick to the Zonas tape very well. I tried to pull them up as much as I could. I didn't tape tightly. Everything is very loose. He's pretty not so happy with me right now, as you can probably tell from the pictures! I gave him bunches of treats afterwards though.

My concerns:
1. Are his ears at the right angle?
2. On the first image, if can see that his ear is kind of folded back. The brown part that you see at the front are his ear flaps kinda folded back because that's the way they were taped. I pressed the Zonas tape onto the post first, then loosely wrapped backwards and squished. His ear followed the tape. Does that need to be fixed? (hope that made sense)
3. He's reeeeally trying to get them out! Right now, he's laying in his kennel (grumpily) and leaving hem alone after I gave him a stern "leave it!" when he was scratching at them. If they come out, I start from scratch and repost, right? Can I use the same post, or do I need to make another one?
4. I'm not sure if I "stretched" his ears up enough. I expected them to stick to the tape that was on the post a little better, but they didn't at all.





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First time? Looks nice to me.

Sanitary, not to much tape. Ear spread looks pretty good.

How did Zeus take it? Just remember to be calm and reward him well. Make it fun. I truly believe that this is one of the unique opportunities for us to have a special bonding time with our pups.

If you want... Once the posts are in and secure, You can trim the posts (Carefully! LOL) closer to the tips if you want. Looks like you could easily take an inch or so off.

He sure is a sweet looking boy...

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I'm going to let someone with much more experience than myself give their opinion.
I just wanted to comment on that LOOK. Looking out at all of us saying, 'Whyyyyyy.' lol
What a face!

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@4x4bike ped , he's already shaken one of his posts out! So I reposted I feel like I'll be doing a lot of that over the days. At first, he was very wiggly, though he did let me clean out his ears with no problem. Once the first post went in, he stayed still. I think he was still trying to figure out what the heck I was doing! I told him he was being a very good boy and loaded him up with treats and lovin', so hopefully it was a good experience for him.

He's being calm now but will paw at his ears and shake and or scratch if given the chance. Hopefully he gets used to these things! Now all he wants to do is sit in my lap.

Yes, this was my first time. *phew!*
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I think you'll find that once you get the hang of it, it'll go well for you. For a first attempt, that looks really nice.

As far as posts coming out and the ears being a bit lower than you might want (should be a little closer to 10 and 2 o'clock positions \_/ than they are in the first pic), just keep at it.

You do not ever want to tape them so that they are slanting inward /\ If they do that when you are finished, it really would be better to take them down and try again.

1. Twist the post into his ear as far as you can. Hang on.
2. Lightly stretch his ear straight up and tape it to the post before you let go of the whole assembly.

That stretched and taped ear should help keep the post in.

The fold you mention where his ear meets the top of his head is supposed to be there....do NOT wrap it around the post and tape it flat. Let it fold naturally and tape it in that folded position.

If you want to trim the top of the posts a little shorter once he is posted, feel for that ear tip through the tape. Put the ball of your thumb on the tip so that your fingernail extends past the ear tip, and then cut the post above where your fingernail ends. Be careful!

Or let it be for this first try....measure the post when you remove it and use that as a guide for the next time you cut a post to length. Less nerve wracking that way.
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If he's shaking posts out, they are probably not deep enough into his ear. You can really twist them into the ear - they won't go into the ear canal, because it turns once it's in his head. So if you have the right size backer rod (small enough), you can almost "screw" it into his ear. If you are having trouble with that you might need to go a size smaller.

Really stretch the ear up tight onto the post. I always tape the top of the ear first so it doesn't sag down. Then, one piece at the base. Then, one more piece around the middle.

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@greenkouki , I used a 1/2" backer rod. I think what @MeadowCat said is right: I don't think I put them in deep enough. Once I reposted the one he shook out, I really did push it down in (I admit, I was tentative the first time cuz...I dunno! First time jitters, I guess) and he hasn't been able to shake it out yet. I went home during lunch from work today like I usually do to feed him lunch and let him out of his kennel, and he was shaking his head, but both posts stayed put. I didn't put a piece of tape in the middle though. To make it more secure, I think I will next time.

And they stay in for 3 days? Then down to clean out/air out, and back up? Or do they stay up longer than three days? How will I know when I'm done posting? His ears already stay up, but I remember reading about posting until he's done teething. Is that correct?

Also, (last question, I promise!) the Caldesene powder goes on the inside of his ear, right? I read someone else's posting guide, and they put the powder on the backside of the ear to keep the tape from tearing off fur. Just want to make sure I'm doing this right!

Also (okay, last question for real!)...is it normal for pups to be grumpy after their first posting? Zeus is totally not loving his new ear gear and gave me the stink eye all night! He's acting better today, but still a little standoffish. I have a feeling he's not happy with me!
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Try 3/8" backer rod instead of 1/2". Being smaller it might fit a little deeper into the ear.

The powder you can put both inside and outside the ear. Different tapes have different levels of stickiness so for some you may want a little powder on the outside and for others not. You can also pre stick the tape on your jeans to pick up a little lint to make it less sticky.

Use a cotton swap to apply the powder on the inside or if you are putting cotton on the base of the post you can dip it in the powder and shake off the excess before sticking it in. As others have said you need to stretch the ear up on to the post. This helps keep the post in and also keeps it at the right position. If the post isn't sticking well you may want trim the excess hair inside his ears off with clippers and then wipe it down with warm soapy water (and let dry).

You want to post for 4 or 5 days and then take them down. If they get wet or look loose take them down and re post them.

It looks like you also might not have the post centered on the ear. It seems like the front is wrapping around the post just a little bit instead of being taped right to it.
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Quote from John : If you want... Once the posts are in and secure, You can trim the posts (Carefully! LOL) closer to the tips if you want. Looks like you could easily take an inch or so off.

I agree with John - I always pre cut the post - like a popsicle stick to the length of his ear - and the backer rod , then when I posted - everything fit right - Being to long - to me - makes it easier for them to shake them off -- Ask the pros on here - but what about a bridge between the ears ???


how will I know when I'm done posting? His ears already stay up, but I remember reading about posting until he's done teething. Is that correct?

Yep - it will be after teething - don't worry about yet - lol

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IMHO--I don't use a bridge...some here do for a few weeks.

But if you think his ears are sagging down toward the top of his head (ears not stretched up enough) I'd try to correct that with future posts rather than using a bridge to keep them upright. Otherwise you will risk the dreaded pocket And stretching his ears straight up as you post should help them stay in a better position and keep the bases from popping out of his ear.

I think MC covered this...but the post goes down in the ear canal, not just in the bell/curved space at the outside bottom of his ear.

Generally you need to wait until teething is done...and go ahead and post a few more weeks AFTER you think they look OK. Better to be safe than sorry.

Let's see what else. 3-5 days each posting depending on how they look...if they get wet, a post pops out of his ear or if they are stinky, you need to look for redness/raw areas and then repost if they look healthy. They may get a little goopy (generally waxy brown stuff), but you don't want oozing nasty smelly crud down in there.

And of course, any time you have problems, or if you're not sure you're actually finished with the posting, you can post pictures here. We're blunt but helpful (I'd like to think) with our advice LOL
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Ok.. What the heck...

I love using a bridge for at least 2 months. Yes... I realize this is not a popular procedure/opinion, but has worked for me. I love the ability to position the ears exactly where I want. Plus it seems like the posts tend to stay in a bit better

If one does use a bridge during posting, I have a few warnings:

First, the bridge should not be to high. It should be fairly close to the skull. Otherwise it is too easy to mess with or get caught up in something.

Secondly, Adding a post can result in over taping, which IMO is something to be avoided.

So... the bottom line is that: I don't recommend bridging, but I have used it and will use it again.

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"Adding a post can"

Uh... adding a "bridge". Ah me....
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Update! So ... Zeus shook out his post. One was out when I got home from work. So I'm going to repost tonight (I had to take him to the vet for his last round of shots else I would've done so immediately) and use the 3/8" as recommended and get it down there. I'm glad someone mentioned the goopy brown stuff, cuz both of his posts had some of that in the part that was down in his ear. Wasn't sure if that was normal, but apparently it is! (thank you @melbrod ) Should I try to clean further down in his ear before posting again? I cleaned it before, but didn't push the cotton ball down too far.

His ear did look slightly red down there though, after the post came out. I didn't use any cotton to cushion. I just left a little bit of the backer rod unwrapped so the soft part was down in his ear. Should I cover it with a piece of something? And ... would that effect his hearing at all if I did?

I'll stick with everyone and not use a bridge. I'll try to repost his ears better tonight so they're not sagging so much. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH for all of the helpful advice! I see that there are things that I can do better (like precutting the backer rod to the correct length) that I'll definitely be doing. Y'all are awesome.
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Yes, the brown stuff is OK......just not a whole lot of it. If you see a sudden increase or notice stinky ears, then it's time to be concerned. As far as ear cleaning, I clean the inside of the ear well as far down as I can get to, but I don't spend a lot of time trying to get way down into the base of the ear. I'd rather my puppy be comfortable with me fooling with his ears than be squeaky clean. But check him out each time you post--you don't want to see redness, irritation or a lot of goop.

It is a good idea to use some cotton on the tip of the backer rod to cushion it. That should keep his ear from getting too irritated from the non-absorbent tip of the post. But taped in well, the post should pretty much go with the ear as it moves and not be loose enough to do any major rubbing.
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Tried again, since the first posts were shaken out. This time I tried taping the center as well, and I used a smaller bracker. Also tried to get the angle better. He still wasn't happy with me, but at least he's letting me mess with his ears without a lot of drama. But I did notice that there was some irritation in one of his ears. Like maybe the tape or rod had scraped at the skin inside? There was a little bit of bleeding. The cotton should help with that, right?





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Second posting? Very nice!

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Yes, the brown stuff is OK......just not a whole lot of it. If you see a sudden increase or notice stinky ears, then it's time to be concerned. As far as ear cleaning, I clean the inside of the ear well as far down as I can get to, but I don't spend a lot of time trying to get way down into the base of the ear. I'd rather my puppy be comfortable with me fooling with his ears than be squeaky clean. But check him out each time you post--you don't want to see redness, irritation or a lot of goop.

It is a good idea to use some cotton on the tip of the backer rod to cushion it. That should keep his ear from getting too irritated from the non-absorbent tip of the post. But taped in well, the post should pretty much go with the ear as it moves and not be loose enough to do any major rubbing.
Back tape the post all the way down to the end (that goes in the ear)--don't leave the backing rod exposed--it's closed cell foam and if you don't get it all the way down in the ear it will wiggle--feel weird to the puppy and he'll do more head shaking--also closed cell foam can irritate the ear--add a little cotton pad to absorb some of the waxy goop that always forms and to protect the bare skin from bare foam.

You're doing fine, everyone has problems with posts popping out when they first start posting. You are doing it right--take the whole thing down when that happens and start over--it popped out because it wasn't all the way in or not taped quite right. Stuffing it back down and putting more tape on never works.
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So...4th time's the charm? I hope. Or maybe 5th, from the way it's looking. Posting is .. way hard for me. And Zeus constantly shakes or scratches them out no matter how deeply I try to twist his posts in. This time, I put a little but of cotton at the ends because his ears were irritated, and now when I put the posts in, he whines like it hurts. And now, he's just laying down whining. There both in, but I'm pretty sure that's not going to last very long. :/ I tried putting cotton pads on the ends as suggested, but it made the ends so fat (even when I tried trimming some of the pad down) that it made it harder to push into his ear.

What would the consequence be of not posting his ears up? Not saying that I want to give up already or at all, but I don't want to cause him pain if that's what it is. And his ears are standing and have been for over a month. His crop is short, though I don't know if that makes a difference in the long run. Will they fall down as he grows if he doesn't have posts in? It's just frustrating because I don't know if I'm doing it right, if he's in pain, or just being a babybutt because of the newness of having something stuffed into his ears.
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I strongly suggest you try getting in touch with the DPCA chapter club local to you (go to dpca.org and click on chapter clubs) and ask if someone would be willing to help you out in person. An experienced person helping you out a time or two will go a very long way towards helping you feel comfortable with posting.

Can you post a picture of what his ears look like after a few hours out of posts right now? It's possible they are standing correctly without posts with a short crop, but usually even a short crop needs a bit of posting.


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Yeah... What you said gamer. He's being a "baby butt".He will get used to it, as will you.

You want to post through teething. Until about 7 months of age.

Don't risk it. Keep posting.

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@MeadowCat , I've email the chapter of Greater Austin and will hopefully hear back soon. Thanks for the recommendation. Austin is about an hour away from where I live, but am willing to travel for help, most definitely. As for a picture, here's the most recent one I have from last weekend.



Ugh sorry everyone! I'm of course going to still post. We've read up about posting way before we even got our pup. It was just .. super frustrating tonight. And whenever we're done, he always acts so traumatized, even though I do my best to make it fun. (treats, praise, petting, kisses)
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He shook them out again. Ugh! I'm done for the night. Trying again tomorrow!
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You said the insides of his ears are irritated......does it look bad enough that that could be what is bothering him? His ears looks healthy in your picture...but I can't see down into his ear canal.

You may be already doing this...I can't tell from your description, but a bit of a cotton ball is easier to work with than a cotton pad or gauze square.

As it looks, you definitely need to keep posting to have his ears standing well when he is grown. But if his ears are majorly irritated (raw or oozing) then he should stay out of posts until that area is healed.
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