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Question about doggy daycare!!!

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My 4 month old dobie (Hazel) had her first day at doggy daycare today. She isn't spayed, but obviously shouldn't be anywhere near her first heat, not has she shown any signs of heat (that I've noticed)

However, the doggy daycare has cameras online we can watch and I've noticed one dog try to hump her several times. Should I be concerned that this could be harmful to her/cause a way too early pregnancy?

I'm just worried that somehow she has gone into a very premature first heat and I just haven't noticed.

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Humping isn't just sexual behavior. It can stem from a number of things, including play, rudeness, dominance (interdog, not dog/human), or simply over excitement.

What was her reaction to the dog humping her? Did she seem upset or overwhelmed? Did she reciprocate play behaviors? Or did she try to get away and avoid the dog in future encounters?

What was the attendants' reaction(s) to her being humped? Did they allow it to continue until your pup did something about it? Did they allow it repeatedly? Did they distract and redirect the dog that was humping her? If he repeatedly tried humping her and couldn't be redirected, did they remove him from the group?
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Excellent advice and information from Rosemary.

I think most doggy daycares restrict admission to intact males who are older than 6 months--you might ask about that. But it's very hard o miss a Dobe bitch coming in sease--no hair to cover up one of the most overt signs--the swelling of the vulva.

I dog sit for a few select dogs--those that have been around my dogs enough that they can walk into my home and the Dobes don't blink an eye. One of the vets has a couple of Goldens--I have them here frequently--older one is neutered and the younger is still intact and will be neutered--each of them if separated from his friend gets so excited to see him again that he'll instantly hump him (I yell, "Get off him")--that stops it instantly. Neither of them ever tries to hump either of my Dobes.

None of my Dobes have been as obnoxious about mounting other dogs (some male, some female) as some other breeds. It seems to be much more common in retrievers.

I'd have a word with the daycare owner or manager just to make sure it isn't one dog who is pestering her and make sure they will intervene if necessary.
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It seemed like it was happening during some unsupervised play time (so I don't know if the daycare staff saw), was hard to tell her reaction on the grainy footage, but definitely looked like she would get away, not let it happen. Only seemed to be one dog, the other dogs didn't seem to notice
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And all dogs there are supposed to be spayed or neutered by 6 months of age
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The only thing you have said that would concern me is that it happened during "unsupervised play time". My dogs playing with other dogs I would want supervised 100% of the time. I personally am not a big fan of doggy day cares though I can see why some people would utilize this sort of program. The supervision would be an issue because when things go wrong with dogs they can go wrong fast.
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The only thing you have said that would concern me is that it happened during "unsupervised play time". My dogs playing with other dogs I would want supervised 100% of the time. I personally am not a big fan of doggy day cares though I can see why some people would utilize this sort of program. The supervision would be an issue because when things go wrong with dogs they can go wrong fast.
^^^ This! My personal dogs are never loose together unsupervised, and they've lived together for the past two years. I sure as heck wouldn't them unsupervised with dogs they've only just met.
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Like Rosemary, our boys are NEVER together, much less with other dogs, without hands on supervision. McCoy is the sweetest dog in the world, but I witnessed his aggressiveness and ability to defend himself when he was attacked on the street a while back by a large pit-mix that escaped from its owner. It was not pretty. An annoyed Doberman can maim or kill a smaller dog in a second, without even meaning to do so. I have witnessed it.

I go one step further. Our dogs are always leashed in public. They are more comfortable, I am more comfortable. I don't do dog parks any more and would not consider a free running dog daycare for a Doberman. There is too much to risk. And..... It's unnecessary.

All this is only my opinion and experience, but it works well for us.

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A dog walker might be a better option while she's still a pup. When she's about 8-12 months you should be okay to leave her crated at home while you're at work- assuming you work a 9-5.
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A dog walker might be a better option while she's still a pup. When she's about 8-12 months you should be okay to leave her crated at home while you're at work- assuming you work a 9-5.
Yup...

In the last 12 months I have been more or less disabled. I had a hip replacement in February and a knee replacement in September. I was on crutches for months before.

My wife loves walking McCoy, but is frequently out of town. So.... I had to figure out what to do. I actually went by and visited several dog daycare centers. They all seemed highly recommended. When all was said and done, I was less than impressed. So I hired very professional dog walker, who is also a trainer and occasionally boards. Wow.... McCoy made the segue on the first visit. They just hit it off. Not only has this worked out well over the months of my surgeries and rehabs, but she has also broken him of some of the poor walking habits he picked up when primarily walking with my wife, Nancy.

It is not cheap. But, in the greater scheme of things that keep our pups happy and healthy... A drop in the bucket.

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Hi there!

She's only 4 months.

I would say, ask for her to not be loose with intact males while in day care. Though, I think you are safe. Puppies need to show their role in the leadership of the pack. Humping is part of the equation.

I had to put my "late" Doberman in Doggy Day Car while our AC was out, one summer.

I got so very lucky! His vet's office was set up for day care! I dropped Axel off in the morning before work and picked him up after work. Paid $11 dollars a day for that!

Axel had a room all this himself with the choice of a couch or recliner, AND A Television!

Have you talked to your vet about spaying her? Or, were you planning on breeding?
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I agree with everything the others are saying so I'll keep this short. I worked in a fully supervised doggy daycare for a year and never came across a dobe that did well. Always seemed overwhelmed, stressed, lonely (without family), or they just didn't want to be there. Most experienced dobe owners advise avoiding dog parks. Doggy daycares are kind of like dog parks without owners who know their dogs better than anyone else.

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^^^ This! My personal dogs are never loose together unsupervised, and they've lived together for the past two years. I sure as heck wouldn't them unsupervised with dogs they've only just met.
Same thing is true for my dogs--sometimes my dogs have lived and played together for 6 or 8 years. In the yard they are supervised and often muzzled as well--if one dog plays too rough and hurts the other dog retaliation is often instantaneous--I'm pretty quick but I don' rely on being able to get across the yard to stop two grumpy males from fighting.

My dogs do not go to dog parks because I firmly believe that they are accidents waiting to happen. Far too many people who pay no attention to their dog, can't read their dog, think their dog "just wants to play" and always seem to own pushy, ill-mannered dogs.

And my dogs don't go to day cares for much the same sort of reason. Not all day cares are created equal--but too many have helpers who don't know enough about dog behavior to be effective are maintaining peace in a herd of boisterous puppies.

Unfortunately stuff like humping during unsupervised play (geeze--unsupervised--I want my dog supervised if I'm paying someone to watch tem for me.) can adversely affect the humpee's attitude toward other dogs--humping can be relatively benign or it can fall into a category of behavior which is just pain bullying.

And Caleb Cox had a good point--just as Dobes are not good candidates for unleashed dog parks--I don't think they are good candidates for day cares.

People talk about how Dobe temperament has "mellowed" over the years and the breed has lost its "sharpness". I think that's less true than the fact that many more dogs (and breeds) in their early days were kennel bred and raised--and it's always interesting to note that those dogs were very sharp indeed. But sometimes they had litter mates who were family owned and much friendlier dogs. I think that the dogs today are much better socialized and Dobes don't do well as kennel dogs, nor do they do well as dogs who are socialized primarily by other dogs--so no doggy day cares for me.

I've been lucky enough to be able to bring puppies to work with me so they saw lots of people, not so many dogs except the ones they lived with and got potty trained and leash trained pretty early.

If it ever came to having to find a way to leave a dog of mine somewhere--he'd go to a friend who a dog sit for--and who dog sits for me in exchange.

Good luck with your dog care--accidental breeding is pretty much not a possibility if they don't take intact dogs over six months but I'd want to make sure that they knew you expected to either remove your puppy bitch of the older dog who was humping her if it occurs.
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What to do with a pup while I am at work, is my primary dilemma, currently.

The Mister and I work too far away from home to leave a pup crated while we are at work. And, it would not be wise to spend money, on assistance right now.

Should an adult Dobe meander into my life, that would be a different story.
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What to do with a pup while I am at work, is my primary dilemma, currently.

The Mister and I work too far away from home to leave a pup crated while we are at work. And, it would not be wise to spend money, on assistance right now.

Should an adult Dobe meander into my life, that would be a different story.
we have converted a couple of rooms into the house into virtually indestructible puppy rooms. designed for easy clean up. Someone is almost always at the house but we use these rooms for training pups to be progressively allowed more freedom. The one room is totally bare and that is the room (a converted bedroom) they are in until they are totally house trained. when they become more trustworthy we leave that door open to a much larger room (a second living room)
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I have the space in my house for this sort of endeavor, however, money is the issue.

The Mister is a perfectionist regarding construction/reconstruction, hence, my chicken coop!

Seemed like it took forever for the coop to come to fruition. He did work on it methodically, after his job and cleaning up the kitchen before I came home. He built the coop by himself. I had to come out and hand him tools and such.

Today, we are hanging a cow hide on the wall. I really don't have enough wall for the hide and then there is the cat that will have to be shut out of Lily's office! Which means, Lily will be shut in or out of the office. Can't have the cat destroying the hide!

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I agree with everything the others are saying so I'll keep this short. I worked in a fully supervised doggy daycare for a year and never came across a dobe that did well. Always seemed overwhelmed, stressed, lonely (without family), or they just didn't want to be there. Most experienced dobe owners advise avoiding dog parks. Doggy daycares are kind of like dog parks without owners who know their dogs better than anyone else.

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I also tried this for MsBelle when she was around 5 months old thinking this would give her social skills with other dogs. The first time I left her for only an hour and she stayed in the corner the whole the time. Tried again thinking if I left her for 2 hours she would eventually start to play with the other dogs. Boy was I wrong....she again stayed in the corner and on our drive home she was so upset she cried on my lap and eventually fell asleep on my chest. Broke my heart and I was determined no more daycare for her. She hated to be without us and it just wasn't worth it.
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