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post #26 of 50 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 06:42 PM
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---- the idea of having to go on a waiting list and any other inconveniences of dealing with a breeder (getting asked a ton of questions paying more for full registration if I wanted one) kind of made it easier at the time to make my decision at the time---
1. Good breeders have waiting lists for a reason. They strive to breed the healthiest, sanest dogs they can, and will always be there to support their puppy buyers.

2. Good breeders ask a ton of questions for a reason, as well. Things like family members, other pets, do you have a fence, do you have your landlord's permission to have a dog, and if are there any restrictions on Dobermans where you live are all part of the process of making sure you are a good fit for each other.

3. A good breeder won't charge more for full registration. They might require you to co-own any dog with full registration, but a pet quality dog will typically only be sold on Limited Registration, frequently with a spay/neuter contract in place.

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After sending in the deposit, and her telling me her vet said ears will cost around 600, I am already regretting it. Im already up to 1200 and no benefits of having breeder support or peace of mind. I just wanted a Dobie so bad, and so do my kids that I became desperate, the idea of having to go on a waiting list and any other inconveniences of dealing with a breeder (getting asked a ton of questions paying more for full registration if I wanted one) kind of made it easier at the time to make my decision at the time, not to mention how adorable they are, I even told my kids that we weren't taking one home today, that we were just looking and for them not to get attached, and I'm the one who caved lol I just have to make the best of it and keep my fingers crossed. Next time I will definitely work with a breeder. At least next time ill have had my Dobie and won't jump at the 1st situation.
Unfortunately, this is what keeps the bybs in business, and what kind of lesson did you just teach your kids?
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I know why breeders do what they do, and its the right thing to do, thats why I will go through a responsible breeder next time.
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You don’t have the puppy in your possession yet, right? How much was the deposit? $600 seems high for a deposit--closer to what the total price should have been for a puppy in these circumstances.

You might be better just walking away from the deal, losing the deposit (I’m assuming it is non-refundable) and chalking it up to experience. Since they are so young yet, maybe you could negotiate the amount of the deposit down and the breeder will give you a break (but don’t count on it.)
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You don’t have the puppy in your possession yet, right? How much was the deposit? $600 seems high for a deposit--closer to what the total price should have been for a puppy in these circumstances.

You might be better just walking away from the deal, losing the deposit (I’m assuming it is non-refundable) and chalking it up to experience. Since they are so young yet, maybe you could negotiate the amount of the deposit down and the breeder will give you a break (but don’t count on it.)
Deposit was 300, her price was 600, Ive really thought about it, The night before the trip I actually talked my self out of going because of the tail situation and the problems an amputation might bring, my wife said it was completely up to me to decide, so I thought it would be fun to go look, thats when i told my kids were probably NOT going to get one, but after seeing the cute puppies, good looking parents and AKC paperwork, How friendly the dad was with everyone and the pups, forced my hand. Honestly I've thought of asking for the deposit back, even if its only a portion of it.
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Admittedly, I have not read through all the posts here, so if I missed it, my apologies.
You have small children! That you would even consider going with anything other than a reputable/ethical breeder is beyond me. IMO, temperament should be your #1 priority and I certainly wouldn't trust a breeder that doesn't even know when to dock tails, to breed for temperament or have a clue what an individual puppy's temperament is/will be.

Do yourself a favor and take a step back. Save a bit more money, do your research and find a "good" breeder that you connect with. Be prepared to pay $2000+ and be on a waiting list. This will give you ample opportunity to educate and prepare yourself for life with a Doberman.

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Did you read Rosemary's post about not bringing another male into your household, due to same sex aggression?
Search the forum for info on same sex aggression (SSA).
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Puppies are not "things" that should be subject to instant gratification. Just because you "want one so bad" doesn't mean a Doberman puppy is appropriate for your lifestyle and situation or that you should be able to have one this instant. Good breeders subject you to all the questions exactly because they are making sure they are placing their puppies in homes that are well prepared for owning this breed. You should NOT be rushing into this purchase. You DO need a good breeder who is going to give you support, make sure that you are actually ready for a Doberman, who *isn't* going to just give you full registration (most dogs should NOT be bred!)....

Please walk away from this puppy, slow down, start researching and actually learn and prepare. There are plenty of people who can help and guide you so you can get a great dog that will be a wonderful companion for many years.
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Puppies are not "things" that should be subject to instant gratification. Just because you "want one so bad" doesn't mean a Doberman puppy is appropriate for your lifestyle and situation or that you should be able to have one this instant. ----
I have lived the past 25 years with an animal I don't particularly like, and am frankly too scared of to handle unless it is absolutely necessary. I had always wanted a bird, and by golly, as soon as I got the chance, I got one. Yeah... the fantasy versus the reality of bird ownership collided pretty early. Like the second day we had him, and he chomped on me hard enough to draw blood... Turns out that we are not "bird people", and whenever Paigliocco goes, that's it.
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I have lived the past 25 years with an animal I don't particularly like, and am frankly too scared of to handle unless it is absolutely necessary. I had always wanted a bird, and by golly, as soon as I got the chance, I got one. Yeah... the fantasy versus the reality of bird ownership collided pretty early. Like the second day we had him, and he chomped on me hard enough to draw blood... Turns out that we are not "bird people", and whenever Paigliocco goes, that's it.
I'm sorry I know it's not funny. But I laughed because I think so many of us have been there before. I wanted a Nile monitor. Who would know that the animal who steals croc eggs could have a bit of an attitude.
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I'm sorry I know it's not funny. But I laughed because I think so many of us have been there before. I wanted a Nile monitor. Who would know that the animal who steals croc eggs could have a bit of an attitude.
A Nile monitor is considerably larger than a Senegal parrot.....
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I have lived the past 25 years with an animal I don't particularly like, and am frankly too scared of to handle unless it is absolutely necessary. I had always wanted a bird, and by golly, as soon as I got the chance, I got one. Yeah... the fantasy versus the reality of bird ownership collided pretty early. Like the second day we had him, and he chomped on me hard enough to draw blood... Turns out that we are not "bird people", and whenever Paigliocco goes, that's it.
Mine is a scarlet macaw - the bite is awful. We love her, she had 4 homes before us. There are reasons for that...

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A Nile monitor is considerably larger than a Senegal parrot.....
and when they bite you it looks like someone went with a sewing machine across your hand or arm
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Goodness, those last few posts have had me laughing. You are right, RmcIntyre, there are probably a lot of us that have been there. I had to just pause a minute while the parade of my escapades went thru my mind.

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The hardest part is having to explain to the children WHY should the puppy they now love be sick or worse. WHY? Impulse and not understanding the true meaning of purebred which is far more than just AKC registration papers. It is why we show and work with our own dogs to have a far better understanding of drives, temperament, structure and health. I get the calls when someone bought just like you did and 5 or 6,000 dollars later they still loose the puppy. All because they could not resist convenient and cheap. Now they can't afford another puppy and I wonder, then why call me??? I can't do anything at that point. I hope and pray you are lucky and beat the odds but they are not stacked in your favor.

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I must've lucked out in the bird department, I adopted an older plucky African Grey over three years ago and he is so sweet and wonderful. His previous owners largely ignored him and he would reportedly chase and bite their toes, but he has been nothing but a love bug with me. He is never loud and loves just hanging out on my shoulder while I do chores around the house, he enjoys taking showers with me too hehe. He knows the dogs by name and his favorite past time besides scritches and eating almonds is bossing them around.
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I have lived the past 25 years with an animal I don't particularly like, and am frankly too scared of to handle unless it is absolutely necessary. I had always wanted a bird, and by golly, as soon as I got the chance, I got one. Yeah... the fantasy versus the reality of bird ownership collided pretty early. Like the second day we had him, and he chomped on me hard enough to draw blood... Turns out that we are not "bird people", and whenever Paigliocco goes, that's it.

I didn’t know there were other people with birds here!! I have two cockatiles, they’re relatively tame and I can pick them up but when they had a clutch last Spring, I got divebombed/attacked one day and that tiny little bird terrified the crap out of me for months. I always dreamed of owning a Macaw or Cockatoo, but after hearing the horror stories on parrotforum I’ve decided to keep researching. Birds are a whole other ball game, aren’t they? lol

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I must've lucked out in the bird department, I adopted an older plucky African Grey over three years ago and he is so sweet and wonderful. His previous owners largely ignored him and he would reportedly chase and bite their toes, but he has been nothing but a love bug with me. He is never loud and loves just hanging out on my shoulder while I do chores around the house, he enjoys taking showers with me too hehe. He knows the dogs by name and his favorite past time besides scritches and eating almonds is bossing them around.
That's so great you have a Grey that is so sweet. I hear so many stories of Grey's being nasty so it's nice to hear when they are well-mannered members of the family.

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I too have heard of greys being "temperamental" but I feel truly blessed with mine. He is about as perfect as a parrot comes, after all they're all messy hehe. My mom has a cockatiel that we have had for over twenty years now, I actually found him outside our house when I was 8 years old and he flew down to us and been around ever since. If anyone is interested in a truly great bird forum Avian Avenue is the best. Everyone is knowledgeable and the friendliest, down to earth bunch! Much like this forum.
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ED1979 , am not a breeder nor an expert in any way , only a Doberman lover that made a huge mistake getting 2 Dobes from Britton Farms , paying $ 4000 c/u to have 2 "fantastic" looking dogs but with serious health problems , besides that , am NOT blaming Travis for this, both died from DCM at 5 and 6 , my advice for you if you finally decide to get that puppy , PLEASE , GET PET HEALTH INSURANCE !! , I did and that was a "life saver", not only financially but for our mental health, it's nothing worse that having a family member diagnosed with a terminal disease like DCM , living with a beloved friend in death row and being unable to try everything available to prolong his/her life as well of maintening their quality of life til the last moment, when they are not confortable even laying down due to a dry coughing, we cried for weeks and we cry again when something remind us the love and the joy these two brought to our home, I have their ashes at home , the pain is still here but we have the peace of mind that we did everything and beyond to keep them with us as long as possible, ...am not saying the name of the pet ins. only a quote from them "Do WHATEVER you need to keep Maximus confortable, we are 100% behind you and Max" , when he died they sent us 4 or 5 handwritten cards from some pet lovers members of the staff and they lit a candle for him in my cell ...am not qualified to opine after making such a mistake not researching enough , am only mentionioning something that I did right ....Please get Pet Health Insurance !!
Great advise. BUYING A DOBE, GET HEALTH INSURANCE. And, do your homework. Try to find the best dog available. There are no "good deals" on Dobermans. Vet bills with surprise you.
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Me and my family (wife and 2 boy 7 and 9) will be looking at Doberman pups, Ive been speaking to the owner and she doesn't seem very knowledgable, She said she will have the tails docked but they are already almost 2 weeks old and she plans on doing it when they are 7 weeks old. If I do get a pup from her I plan at getting ears cropped at 8 weeks, My question is how bad if at all is getting their tails done that late? Ive read so many mixed reviews I am leaning towards not getting the pup, but I've wanted 1 for so long and I'm so close to getting one that I'm torn. I know she's not a reputable breeder, she actually claims to not be a breeder at all, and her dogs 1st litter, parents aren't health tested but she gave me her vets number and claims parents are very healthy. I know ill be told to stay away and I just might, but those puppies have to go somewhere right?
There is a woman I spoke to in San Antonio a few weeks before I got Moose. She said the EXACT same thing and told me to call her vet. Oddly enough, I got her number from the AKC website. When I decided I wanted a Doberman, one of the 1st things I did was go to the akc.com (this is before I knew about DT and DPCA) and select the breed then clicked on "find my puppy" The AKC has her listed as a Doberman Breeder. She was nice and told me due to some circumstances out of her control, she was unable to take them to get their tails docked. The puppies were already 10 weeks old at the time. I didn't call or text her after that bc I thought that sounded like a hard thing to do the tail so late. In her defense maybe something really did happen or there was a tragedy or death in her family...but my gut told me to keep looking so I did.
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I apologize for adding to this old thread. I'm still trying to figure DT out. Thanks
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--- Oddly enough, I got her number from the AKC website. When I decided I wanted a Doberman, one of the 1st things I did was go to the akc.com (this is before I knew about DT and DPCA) and select the breed then clicked on "find my puppy" The AKC has her listed as a Doberman Breeder. ---
The breeders listing on the AKC website is basically paid ads. Anyone who hasn't had their AKC privileges suspended can post their litters there. It's actually an option on the litter registration form, I think.

Breed club listings are generally only people who (in addition to paying to be listed) have also agreed to abide by the breed club's Code of Ethics. Not to say that you won't find a truly crummy breeder on club listings, but your odds of finding a good breeder are higher.


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