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"What kind of dog is that"
"Aren't his ears supposed to be pointy?"

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"I'm so glad you left his ears natural" to which I reply either they fit his personality better or it was too late to do it by the time i got him.






Besides, Gus' ears do stand up occasionally.

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You really can't blame the general public for being anti-crop. Just look at all the butcher jobs posted here. Bloody ears covered in layers of tape, infections, etc.

My dog was 99% healed at 9 weeks when we brought him home. Cup on head, edges open to the air. He was never even really bothered by the posting - he's more annoyed at nail maintenance.

Done properly with good aftercare, cropping is not a big deal and doesn't bother the pup at all. In the wrong hands, it can be awful.

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You really can't blame the general public for being anti-crop. Just look at all the butcher jobs posted here. Bloody ears covered in layers of tape, infections, etc.

My dog was 99% healed at 9 weeks when we brought him home. Cup on head, edges open to the air. He was never even really bothered by the posting - he's more annoyed at nail maintenance.

Done properly with good aftercare, cropping is not a big deal and doesn't bother the pup at all. In the wrong hands, it can be awful.
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Some dobes died from spaying surgery gone bad at the vets. One never knows. People die on the dentist chair undergoing simple procedures and things can go wrong.

All we can do is try our best and have a knowledgeable cropper do the work. If they do a good job then the aftercare is much easier.

Our society has gone PC and are ultra-sensitive. They just had a new story of a college student who was "offended" by his new dorm roommate putting up an American flag in the dorm room. The school dean made him take it down.

That's how absurd our society had turned. Love him or hate him, what Donald Trump has tapped into is a portion of society that is fighting back on PC gone mad. Not turning this into a political debate just making a simple factual point.

Cropping and docking is the dog owners choice. It's not cruel. Luckily in America we can still do that but we have to deal with ignorant and over-sensitive people making comments. I don't care. As the saying goes "Sticks and stones can break my bones but words cannot hurt me"

If someone comments on your dobes ears tell them your dobe doesn't like being bullied by people making fun of his looks
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It was a learning curve at first, and we're still not done (he's 7mths) but they're looking OK. I've actually grown to enjoy it, strangely.

I saw someone say they missed the posting days once and couldn't understand it, but now I kind of do.

Only regret is that I wished I'd switched to the zip tie/transpore tape method a while back. I just started it and I really like it much better for the later stages.

He just sits/lays still when I come at him with posting supplies. Now if I could get him to do that for nail clippers and the Dremel...
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See I had had to get Sam to go to sleep in my lap to post his ears but when I get out the Dremel he come running and holds up his paw
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From discussions in school, it seems to me that cropping will become less and less common as we go on. A lot of my classmates are anti-cropping and it's not taught in our curriculum or even as an elective. The only way I'm aware that a veterinarian can learn how to perform a proper otoplasty is to find a mentor and those are also becoming fewer and farther between. It's a shame really, because I've seen more than my fair share of crops (mostly Pitties) done by non-DVMs and I just want to cry for those poor dogs...little to no sterility, poorly done, and worst of all--no good pain management.

I'd like to learn, but I don't know how lucky I'll be once I'm out in practice. There's a very nice veterinarian in Tennessee (I believe) who offers to mentor new grads, but I don't know how I'd find the time/money to go out and learn.
You could ask the DPCA about helping you in some financial way. And maybe they might like getting more Vets to be to get out there and learn how to do it properly before all the good croppers have gone.


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See I had had to get Sam to go to sleep in my lap to post his ears but when I get out the Dremel he come running and holds up his paw
Quikiest dog breed ever.

I'd trade problems. Posting ends pretty quick! I have nail duty forever. Maybe he'll eventually grow to tolerate it.
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So... Maybe 10 years or so ago, I am walking my son's boy. His ears were posted. A young woman on a bicycle started riding around me. She wasn't yelling, but she was making derogatory comments about the pup's ears. Typical PC stuff. Really rude.

Ignored her, but she kept it up. So I stopped and asked her what her issues were. She actually rode up and said: "Some one ought to do that to you!" Being the quick witted fellow that I am (LOL), I said: " They already have, only in a more sensitive area. Would you like to see?" Then I proceed to pretend like I was going to unbuckle my jeans.

She rode off and, though I occasionally would see her, she never approached me again.

An absolutely true story.

In recent years, I really haven't gotten any crap from people, except for the eye rolling and muttering disapproval under the breath. The bottom line is the with all the misconceptions about the Doberman breed one needs to develop a slightly thicker skin.

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Edit: Just wanted to add, that they are the same idiots that a year later will come up to me and thank me for leaving my dog's ears natural. Same dog! Of course I simply smile and say "Your welcome".
Love this story, John! Had me cackling.

An observation: my husband does not get comments when he takes the pup out, and we don't get any when we go out together with the pup. There seems to be something about a woman by herself with a dog that invites comments.

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OMG Right? It's like "OH look - a woman...she MUST be weak and need an opinion - let us go toward her"...FML. People are such dicks to women.
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I had been subjected to similar comments when my boy was still in posts-" its cruel and mean and the poor puppy it must hurt!" Best answer that worked for me"-it's kind of like having a facelift, but permanent" since 98% of those verbal abusing me were older women, it worked like a charm! now that he's a big boy they just cross the street.
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I had been subjected to similar comments when my boy was still in posts-" its cruel and mean and the poor puppy it must hurt!" Best answer that worked for me"-it's kind of like having a facelift, but permanent" since 98% of those verbal abusing me were older women, it worked like a charm! now that he's a big boy they just cross the street.
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Funny. This just happened. I don't know this person. I've never spoken to them before. They chose to come at me because I posted a photo of my dog on my tumblr....



I definitely went off on her... but still. Who DOES that?

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Some people are both rude and idiots. Try and not let it bother you.

By the way, cute pic. Thanks for sharing!

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My wife and I have an Instagram account for all of our dogs, mainly featuring Mabel. Every time we post a pic of May with her posts showing we get a number of extremely hateful comments in every language imaginable. Just delete them and move on. Responding only makes it worse.


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I only responded once. There have been multiple replies from them and their friends since. I was just very surprised. Usually I just got comments on how cute he is, or asking how I got him.


We were at Home Depot today and a few people asked about his posts, but there was nothing like that.
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Last week I took the puppy, unposted, to run a few errands. So his ears were naked and standing, like a big boy's. And someone commented, "Aren't you going to get his ears done?"

I was flabbergasted! You truly can't win when it comes to the general public.

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My wife and I have an Instagram account for all of our dogs, mainly featuring Mabel. Every time we post a pic of May with her posts showing we get a number of extremely hateful comments in every language imaginable. Just delete them and move on. Responding only makes it worse.
Mac was featured on Kurgo's instagram, and they ending up removing his post because there were so many negative comments about his ears.
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Mac was featured on Kurgo's instagram, and they ending up removing his post because there were so many negative comments about his ears.
Oh, that is a damn shame. I am so sorry to hear this.

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As somebody new to Dobermans, I will say something. I've always had APBT where cropping is common but not so much a "necessity" like it is for the Doberman standard. I believe it is simply the image of them being all bandaged up that gives off the illusion that they just had some major, and still exceedingly tender and painful operation. Fact is - it looks bad. I know and you know it's simply to form the ears, but to anybody that isn't familiar with the procedure it appears dastardly.

I -personally- don't crop or dock any of my dogs because I don't compete in conformation classes. And two I think they are beautiful/perfect how they are supposed to be that something so cosmetic is not important to me. Serious question, are the Doberman tails weak or more likely to break than another dogs to where docking is more beneficial than not? Somebody mentioned it as a point so I was curious, because surgery for a health benefit is something I am interested in.

Also, WHERE on earth in a first world country could you abort a baby at 39 weeks?? Babies are born months early and survive. How could you "abort" one so close to its delivery date? First trimester, sure. Even sometimes into the second. But that sounds a little extreme. And, how does that relate to cropping a dogs ears?
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To give you an example of how reactive people can get without even knowing the facts... I raise and show Chinese Cresteds and we tape their ears, starting at 5 wks to train them to stand erect. We do not crop them. Taping just strengthens the cartilege.
I had a pup of mine at Petsmart with ears taped. I couldn't believe the people that came up to me with, 'You cropped that poor baby's ears? How cruel' or 'What happened to his ears, why are they in bandages?" and other comments. So, it is the bandages that cause the problem.
On the other hand, I have had people comment on my adult Doberman whose ears are cropped - 'I'm so glad you didn't crop her ears'. Just leaves you dumbfounded.

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A few years ago I had a 4 month old Chihuahua shipped to me. When the breeder took her to the airport her ears had tape on them to help strengthen them. Guy at the airport made them untape her ears cause it made her look like a fighting dog.
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Oh, that is a damn shame. I am so sorry to hear this.
Thanks, I was pretty bummed. I mean I understand... because clearly he looks mistreated and unhappy here... *sarcasm*

And I get SO many comments about his ears when we go out... I try and be nice but normally by the end of our hikes or walks, my BF has to step in and answer before I snark off on someone. I guess dealing with the ear bologna is an ok trade off for having the best dogs in the world
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Ever since those comments on my photo of Strife last night, I've gotten multiple anonymous messages on tumblr giving me hell for his ears and "mutilating him" for "shitty showing."

Like...why do you care? He isn't hurt. He's just fine. Happy and healthy and loved.
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