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post #26 of 36 (permalink) Old 02-18-2016, 12:09 PM
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That's easy. When I was a child I had rules to follow. For instance, I was not allowed to use the computer for certain things. If I used the computer for something other than what I was authorized, I lost my privileges. Simple cause and effect. I knew kids who didn't have those rules...they didn't turn out too well.
There's a difference in losing a privilege and your dad beating you. In both instances you will listen but in one instance you will start resenting your dad and eventually lash out.

No one said to not make rules and boundaries. Positive reward based training isn't "hippie allow your dog to do whatever and reward it". I think YOU need to be open minded and actually read up on positive reward based training. Dobes are very sensitive dogs and WILL let you know when you've been overly harsh on a punishment. It's good to know both ways to train. You might find times when reward works better and vice versa.

I started out much like you, I've owned several dogs yorkies, shelties, rotties... and I came out strong with "I'm the boss, I'm the leader, DOG will listen". Through different trainers, different styles... I've learned that only when positive reinforcement doesn't work using several different ways, should you go to positive punishment.
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I have always heard that dobes do not respond well to alpha role training. They try to please their people and that usually works great in training. However, when I got my pitbull (from a shelter), I found her to be resource guarding with her food and it was disrupting our feeding time (4 dogs eating at once) and they are not free fed (they would be so over weight!), so I would put them all in their sit wait command and then release to eat. (I want them to have manners and not be jumping on me.) I would take the pitbull's food a little bit after she started eating for just a moment and put her in a sit wait command again and then give her back her food with a lot of praise and telling her how great she did. I no longer have any issue with her resource guarding. I never had issues with my Dobes doing resource guarding, but they were trained early with "leave it" and "drop it" trading with high value treats. This method, for some reason, did not work with my pitbull, but the other method worked (taking the food while she was eating). I no longer have to take her food while she is eating and there is no more fighting at feeding time! I agree with everyone about using "drop it" and trading with a high value treat. Also to puppy proof the home.
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I must not have made my self clear earlier in regards to taking Jax's food bowl away once he started eating. I always give it back. I do exactly what dobiegirl describes above. He is totally fine with this and does very well. It's almost like he gets into these weird moods and will "resource guard" with certain items. Today he has been totally fine.
Again, I appreciate all the suggestions offered and I will certainly work on fixing this.
I'm glad there are training methods I can work towards to raise my perfect dobe
We always work on leave it or trade and it usually works but sometimes he's an a** and makes me sweat. It's a good thing he's so darn cute. We love him so much........
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If you raise the perfect dobe come back and give us all your advice.

I was talking with a breeder friend, not too long ago, about how I'll do things different with my next puppy. She said that's how we all think and that means you're learning and to keep learning. If you're always learning then you'll always "do thins different with your next puppy."
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oh yes....certainly learning!! Sometimes not quick enough. Lol
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The fact that you hit your child explains a lot. I'm shocked a breeder agreed to sell you a pup, honestly.
I am sorry but that is just simply NOT fair. Sometimes kids need a pop on the butt, which does NOT mean a beat down or something violent but simply a pop.
Sorry but not all personalities of children respond the same way some kids actually do need a pop on the tail, some are good with a time out, some times they just need you to go down on eye level and explain it to them.

But making a statement that you are shocked a breeder would sell a pup to him because he said he 'pops his child on the rear' is ridiculous.


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I must not have made my self clear earlier in regards to taking Jax's food bowl away once he started eating. I always give it back. I do exactly what dobiegirl describes above. He is totally fine with this and does very well. It's almost like he gets into these weird moods and will "resource guard" with certain items. Today he has been totally fine.
Again, I appreciate all the suggestions offered and I will certainly work on fixing this.
I'm glad there are training methods I can work towards to raise my perfect dobe
We always work on leave it or trade and it usually works but sometimes he's an a** and makes me sweat. It's a good thing he's so darn cute. We love him so much........
Why do you feel the need to take his food away? What purpose does it serve?
I theoretically 'could' take my dogs food away, but I'm pretty sure theyd look at me like I was a jerk.
I'd rather teach my dog a solid sit or leave it and let them watch me add new nummies to their dish than take it away.

Can I take things away from my dogs? Absolutely I can. Do I? Not unless there are extenuating circumstances (they've picked up something nasty outside on a hike).

It's pretty sad that some people (not pointing fingers) are unwilling to be open to new thought processes and new ways to do things. Things that only benefit the human and dog bond.


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I am sorry but that is just simply NOT fair. Sometimes kids need a pop on the butt, which does NOT mean a beat down or something violent but simply a pop.
Sorry but not all personalities of children respond the same way some kids actually do need a pop on the tail, some are good with a time out, some times they just need you to go down on eye level and explain it to them.

But making a statement that you are shocked a breeder would sell a pup to him because he said he 'pops his child on the rear' is ridiculous.
"Popping a child on the butt" is still hitting a defenseless child. The next step is a defenseless puppy.

I'm sorry but I don't condone physical violence of ANY type. It is a lack of control on the adults part. You are acting with emotion instead of reason. There are plenty of studies on the negative side effects of hitting a child. It is an old, out dated practice that serves no purpose in modern society.

I think it's completely fair to say I'm shocked someone sold him a pup. I would never sell a puppy (or goat or chicken or cow or any living creature) to someone who thinks hitting is an appropriate form of communication. It's not.

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"It is an old, out dated practice that serves no purpose in modern society. "

And the proof of this is what? How much more well rounded, successful and respectful kids of today are as opposed to my generation? Or my parent's or grand parent's for that matter....

Please...... There are VERY specific legal regulations as to the administering of corporal punishment to a child.These are society's current moral guidelines on the subject. The law.

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nevermind. not worth arguing over it. hit your kids, hit your wife, hit your dog. do whatever floats your boat.

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I’m thinking this thread has run its course, so I’m closing it.

Islandgirl, feel free, please, if you have other training issues or questions, to start a new thread about it. You’ve gotten some good advice and definitely lots of different opinions here--check out the books recommended, keep asking questions--that’s how we keep our minds open and learning.

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