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Question Getting two pups from same litter....

Hi all – I have a question about getting two puppies from the "same litter". My intention was to get a black male but also fell in love with one of his littermates, a black female. I will likely not get two pups at the same time but I am curious if there is any disadvantage in getting two pups from the same litter? (…Other than being crazy for getting two puppies at the same time). They would be companion pets, neutered and spayed. Thanks for any feedback.
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Well, we have 2 brothers from our accidental litter, and they are best friends, and our clowns. And we have 2 cats who are bro and sister - they are also best friends. Maybe the only drawback is that they are so close to each other, and so focus a bit less on us? NAH!!! - they are our shadows!!


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I think lolonurse is one of the rare examples where it actually works out so well. Unless you are a VERY experienced dog person... this breed is really special and challenging and trying and on and on. I had been considering getting 2 puppies just like you. I was pointed to many very good articles written by people more experienced than I as to why thats not a great idea.

They tend to bond with each other more than you. You can't "economize on time" and have them do everything together. You need to crate them apart, train them apart, walk them apart- all through puppyhood to cement their bond with you vs. each other. Not to mention, double the costs for a breed that is already riddled with health probelms... double the doggie insurance... two sets of ears to tape....
Then the ever so tragic - they age at the same time... instead of dealing with losing one dog, you have to mentally prepare yourself to lose two around the same time. Why not space it out just a bit even if by 12 months?
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Well, we have 2 brothers from our accidental litter, and they are best friends, and our clowns. And we have 2 cats who are bro and sister - they are also best friends. Maybe the only drawback is that they are so close to each other, and so focus a bit less on us? NAH!!! - they are our shadows!!

Yeah, the "velcro thing". When I had two at the same time they were inseparable and were best of friends also, but had one as a pup and adopted one at 4 years old. Thanks for your response. Now if I can only get my hubby to agree......
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I think lolonurse is one of the rare examples where it actually works out so well. Unless you are a VERY experienced dog person... this breed is really special and challenging and trying and on and on. I had been considering getting 2 puppies just like you. I was pointed to many very good articles written by people more experienced than I as to why thats not a great idea.

They tend to bond with each other more than you. You can't "economize on time" and have them do everything together. You need to crate them apart, train them apart, walk them apart- all through puppyhood to cement their bond with you vs. each other. Not to mention, double the costs for a breed that is already riddled with health probelms... double the doggie insurance... two sets of ears to tape....
Then the ever so tragic - they age at the same time... instead of dealing with losing one dog, you have to mentally prepare yourself to lose two around the same time. Why not space it out just a bit even if by 12 months?

I know, you are so right on all accounts. That was exactly my plan, black male now, and red female in a year or two. But I just fell in love with this precious little girl. She actually may be the one the breeder keeps so it wouldn't have been an option anyway. Thanks for your input.
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Hi all – I have a question about getting two puppies from the "same litter". My intention was to get a black male but also fell in love with one of his littermates, a black female. I will likely not get two pups at the same time but I am curious if there is any disadvantage in getting two pups from the same litter? (…Other than being crazy for getting two puppies at the same time). They would be companion pets, neutered and spayed. Thanks for any feedback.
Yeah, what ClipClop said - don't do it. Let them fulfill their promise as individual dogs by concentrating on one at a time to get that bond developed. My husband wanted to get 2 pups from the last litter, and the breeder and I both looked at him and said "NO!" at about the same split second.


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I'm actually more curious about getting pups from the same litter.
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I think it DOESN'T work more often than it works. One usually ends up dominating the other. I would never sell two puppies to the same home or even one puppy to a home where I knew there was another puppy. They need your individual time. Plus all the constant puppy play would drive me nuts!!
This is one reason we are getting our new puppy. The other breeder is keeping a male but also wanted to keep a female. So we will keep the female at our house and she will co-own it so they won't grow up in the same household.

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I am suprised the breeder would consider it. I don't think many breeders would allow it, but maybe I am wrong.
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I think it DOESN'T work more often than it works. One usually ends up dominating the other. I would never sell two puppies to the same home or even one puppy to a home where I knew there was another puppy. They need your individual time. Plus all the constant puppy play would drive me nuts!!
This is one reason we are getting our new puppy. The other breeder is keeping a male but also wanted to keep a female. So we will keep the female at our house and she will co-own it so they won't grow up in the same household.
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2 pups from the same litter

I don't recommend it unless you have tons of time. Both puppies need to be worked with separately and taken places separately in order not to become co-dependent on one another. IMO it makes a dog's dog not a people dog as the two puppies become best friends and you are down lower on the totum pole. Makes it harder to get them to listen to you unless you are very knowledgable and willing to do double duty. JMHO

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Can anyone hear imagine housetraining two puppies at the same time?
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Can anyone hear imagine housetraining two puppies at the same time?

Okay....I get the picture. Someone said I have blissfully forgotten what it is like to have a puppy. I guess I have.
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I am suprised the breeder would consider it. I don't think many breeders would allow it, but maybe I am wrong.


Well, I actually haven't discussed it with him, because I sort of thought of it on a whim. I just fell in love with this little girl, and well.....I decided to pose the question here, that's all. Thanks.
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Can anyone hear imagine housetraining two puppies at the same time?
done it,not fun! not once but twice, wasn't planned and eventually I only had one pup, but for a while, until the right home came along, I had 2 pups, and was going crazy trying to house train

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I definitely would not suggest it. Especially from the same litter... there could be some sibling rivalry later on.

I have a 10.5 month old and a 16 week old. Let me tell you, IT IS WORK. Hard, hard work. The only reason we took this on is because my husband works from home and I'm a housewife... so we are both home all day. The breeder we chose would not be having another litter for a long while, when we'd likely be trying for children, so we decided to take on having two pups at once since we're in a good situation for it. Each of us has a pup with us at all time. Athena and Gotham only get to play together in the morning until Travis goes to work (the office, LOL) at 11am, and at night, after he gets off work at 8pm. It is extremely hard work, and I can't even imagine having two Gotham's age.

Believe me... after about a week of having your new pup, you won't even know what you were thinking! There are a ton of benefits to waiting... there are a ton of benefits AND negatives if you try to get two pups at once. I wouldn't take a chance, for your sake, and for the pups' sakes.

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i have two puppies myself, but from different litter and three weeks apart in age, from my research it is a really really a bad idea, i am intending on shipping one to my home overseas, but the idea of keeping both of them is way stronger now as i have come to be attached to them. Here are a few things you should consider.

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1. It's hard enough to raise one pup and give it the socialization that it needs, much less two. Pups end up only getting 1/2 of the amount of time they need to be properly socialized.

2. Dogs are pack animals. This is a much stronger drive than the average pet owner understands. People think that their little puppy comes from an animal that has been socialized for thousands of years, so how could this have any negative effect on them.

3- When puppies are raised togther they become what we call DOGGY. This means they look at the other dog as their buddy and not the human that owns it. Dogs that are raised to run together NEVER develop the kind of human bond that they would have had if they had been raised in a one dog family.

4- These dogs are more difficult to train. Because they don't have the strong human bond, they don't have the desire to please. In fact they often become stubborn.

All dogs have a very strong pack instinct. The more dogs in a pack the stronger the instinct becomes. Raising 2 dogs together means an elevated pack drive, raising 3 dogs means an even higher pack drive.

Pack drive issues mean RANK ISSUES within the pack. Establishing RANK can often mean dog fights. Don't kid yourself that your 5 pound little lap dog will not fight with its 5 pound littermate. This can become a big deal. This means dog fights when the dogs reach maturity (18 to 30 months of age)
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Thanks Amanda for your input. p.s. I just love Athena and Gotham and always enjoy when you post pictures!
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Firespydar - thanks for your feedback.
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your welcomed, am glad your at least doing the research before considering the idea, unlike myself.
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I am at work right now but will read up as soon as I get home. Thanks. Everyone has been great with all the feedback. I really was just curious and only thought about it on a whim.
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I've owned Dobes since 1973 and would NEVER attempt to raise two puppies and I'm retired and home all day!!! Two puppies from the same litter is a very bad idea.

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Two puppies at the same time, from the same litter, is grounds for a mental health examination!




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Two puppies at the same time, from the same litter, is grounds for a mental health examination!
At times one puppy is!!!! Especially on rainy cold days without enough running and playing.

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